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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 9:27 am  

I don't know whether the Indians will trade Clevinger.  Trades aren't my thing and I usually don't have a feel for other teams' prospects and available 25-man roster players.  But, I'm comforted by Clevinger's last start, where he had the look of the guy who was dominant last year.  So, I think the Indians will get a good return for him, if he's flipped.  That said, a trade this year will be more difficult than last.  The team is unlikely to be willing to take on salary, and may actually want to shed some, so that's going to limit the universe of players the Indians are willing to take in return.  My guess is that, if it happens, it will be one plug-and-play guy and prospects, one of whom might be major league ready.  And remember that Clevinger is arb eligible next year, so the Indians will be factoring that expected salary increase into the trade equation variables.


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 10:31 am  

The Athletic's Rosenthal says the Indians have had discussions with the White Sox, an unexpected in-division trade partner, but that a third team would be required (Rangers?), as the Sox don't have what the Indians need.


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 11:22 am  

https://twitter.com/ByRobertMurray/status/1300451494576164866

BREAKING: Padres acquire Mike Clevinger.

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I don't know who Robert Murray is, or whether this tweet has any basis in fact.  No comment on who would be received in return.


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 11:27 am  

The same news is being reported on ESPN, but again, no return players have been identified.

Headline says Padres land Clevinger.  Body of article says he's expected to be moved by 4 PM.  Appears the headline is ahead of the article.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29726324/2020-mlb-trade-deadline-tracker-rumors-news-deadline-day-buzz


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 11:31 am  

Jon Heyman says the Indians are getting Naylor, Quantrill, and more.

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1300453451059597312


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 11:36 am  

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29778857/sources-indians-trade-ace-mike-clevinger-padres

"Right-hander Cal Quantrill, shortstop Gabriel Arias and outfielder Josh Naylor are headed to Cleveland in the deal, sources told ESPN's Jeff Passan. Naylor will immediately slot in to left field."


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Edible14
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08/31/2020 11:37 am  

Rosenthal says:

Clevinger, Greg Allen to SD

RHP Quantrill, C Hedges, OF Naylor, LHP Cantillo, SS Arias and IF Owen Miller coming back

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1300455204748505093?s=19


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 11:48 am  

Trade seems to be constructed more on potential and additional depth rather than the addition of solid, immediate help.  Until I look into it a bit more, I'm initially a bit disappointed.


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Edible14
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08/31/2020 11:51 am  

MLB pipeline has Arias as the Padres #7 prospect, Cantillo as their #9, and Miller as their #11.

Naylor likely slots right into a starting role. 

The big questions here are Hedges and Quantrill. Hedges is a good defended but no Bebo, and also isn't hitting. Is Leon being let go, do they go with 3 catchers, or do they option Hedges? 

Do they add Quantrill to the bullpen (likely leading to Cimber being sent down)? Or do they send him to Lake County to be stretched out towards being a starter again?

With adding 1 extra to the 40, that means someone gets DFA'd. Leon or Beau Taylor would make sense. 

With 6 in and 2 out, that also likely means somebody or multiple people (i think they were at 57 but not sure) get cut from the 60 man player pool - maybe one of the veteran catchers like Rupp?


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DetDawg
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08/31/2020 12:03 pm  
Posted by: @edible14

MLB pipeline has Arias as the Padres #7 prospect, Cantillo as their #9, and Miller as their #11.

Naylor likely slots right into a starting role. 

The big questions here are Hedges and Quantrill. Hedges is a good defended but no Bebo, and also isn't hitting. Is Leon being let go, do they go with 3 catchers, or do they option Hedges? 

Do they add Quantrill to the bullpen (likely leading to Cimber being sent down)? Or do they send him to Lake County to be stretched out towards being a starter again?

With adding 1 extra to the 40, that means someone gets DFA'd. Leon or Beau Taylor would make sense. 

With 6 in and 2 out, that also likely means somebody or multiple people (i think they were at 57 but not sure) get cut from the 60 man player pool - maybe one of the veteran catchers like Rupp?

I'm not a great fan of MLB Pipeline. For comparison, Fangraphs has Cantillo, Arias, and Miller @ 12, 16, and 25.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-53-prospects-san-diego-padres/

Cantillo seems like a typical Cleveland pitcher whose high-end potential can be developed.


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Marty Taber
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08/31/2020 12:15 pm  

Very disappointed in this return. Hedges is nobody and redundant. Naylor is unproven but was fairly highly rated a couple years ago.  Two more young middle infield guys. No immediate pitching help. And we also lose Allen (no big loss) and a ptbnl. 

Definitely no “stud outfielder”

 

Definitely no “catcher who can hit”

 

Definitely no “stud pitching prospects”

 

what... 

the...

 

F#CK...


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CalBuckeyeRob
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08/31/2020 12:42 pm  
Clearly the plan to replace Lindor is to have 11 guys stand a shortstop and hope one of them picks up the grounder.

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Nubballguy
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08/31/2020 12:43 pm  

I was really hoping for an Alex Verdugo type of ‘one the cusp’ OF with his caliber of expected success for Clevenger who we all knew was getting traded and we all knew was being traded for OF help. 

Unfortunately this seems like quite possibly a “quantity over quality” return, and from a team with as deep a farm system as this, it’s - at least at first blush - disappointing. 

I’ll await analysis by the folks here at IBI and this knowledge forum to let me know more about these acquisitions. 

I guess when all is said and done, I can only hope they help the team now(!) and in the future. 

This post was modified 3 months ago by Nubballguy

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Mackie_Lundquist
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08/31/2020 12:45 pm  

Great trade for SD. They clear out a lot of roster dead weight and second tier prospects they don't need and get 2 plus years of a stud starter. I make that deal any day of the week if I am SD.

It is now official: the Indians now have more middle infield prospects than any team in the history of major league baseball.

 

Maybe this was the best the tribe could do.


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CalBuckeyeRob
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08/31/2020 12:48 pm  
Posted by: @mackie_lundquist

Great trade for SD. They clear out a lot of roster dead weight and second tier prospects they don't need and get 2 plus years of a stud starter. I make that deal any day of the week if I am SD.

It is now official: the Indians now have more middle infield prospects than any team in the history of major league baseball.

 

Maybe this was the best the tribe could do.

On a serious note, how do you possibly develop and assess that many middle IF prospects? There are not enough minor league affiliates to give them reps. 


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