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Themaven
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09/18/2020 12:19 pm  

Alomar is not impressing me as a manager at all.

Why was Bieber left in to throw 118 pitches in a 10-0(at the time )blowout?

He keeps running DeShields out there,costing the teams runs.

Quite a few questionable bullpen and pinch hitting moves,or a lack there of.

The number of bonehead plays has increased since he took over.The lack of focus is astounding.

He brings back the ghost of Eric Wedge with his "We've got to just keep grinding" remark.

I hope Francona isn't done managing,it would be a real loss,because if Alomar is his replacement permanently the Tribe are in trouble.


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Willie Hood
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09/18/2020 12:25 pm  

Criticism of Alomar is fair. Particularly leaving Beiber in there. Let's say he takes a liner off the leg and missed the rest of the season. That would really make it show...I don't get it.


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Edible14
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09/18/2020 4:46 pm  
Posted by: @bzrd

DeShields cost them another run tonight.

 

Oscar Mercado also took an 0-fer. Exactly nobody wants DeShields to be the everyday CF, but there's only 2-4 guys that are on the 60 that can play CF. He's the best option, sadly. 

Mercado has done worse hitting, and had his own defensive miscue in LF the other day. He obviously has a higher ceiling and is cheaper. It would be nice if he was performing well and could make DeShields expendable. He's not.

Bradley Zimmer had a hot streak to begin the season and looked like he would take that job. Instead pitchers adjusted to him and his new swing and he cratered. His line in August was 2 hits (both singles), 6 walks, 10 Ks, in 31 PAs. His exit velocity was also significantly down. 

Daniel Johnson didn't get a lot of time with the big league club. It's hard to believe that if he was killing it at the alternate site he wouldn't have been brought back (see also: why there's not a lot of hope for Bobby Bradley or Jake Bauers). 

The only other guy you could try to plug in at CF would be Naquin, a position he wasn't good at *before* the ACL tear. It also leaves the question of who you would put in RF - Luplow? Bauers? Mike Freeman? Nolan Jones?

So who are you advocating for here?


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Edible14
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09/18/2020 4:54 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99

Criticism of Alomar is fair. Particularly leaving Beiber in there. Let's say he takes a liner off the leg and missed the rest of the season. That would really make it show...I don't get it.

I think the more egregious thing he's done recently is insisting that the #2 hole has to be filled by either DeShields or Freeman while Cesar/Jose were out. Franmil Reyes is arguably the best hitter on the team and he still is hitting 5th. It was really obvious how much this was hurting the other day when Frankie was walked in a key late inning situation (the day he had 3 RBI already, runner on 2nd) because the other team *wanted* to get to Mike Freeman. Because why would you pitch to Frankie when Mike Freeman is on deck?

That being said, Tito has done that exact same move and it always infuriates me. Tito does a lot of questionable things but you generally give passes because you assume it has some positive effect on team chemistry. We don't give Sandy the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't have the track record, and the team just was on a 7 game losing streak. 


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MadThinker88
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09/20/2020 11:25 pm  

The criticism of Sandy Alomar is fair.  While he has been in various coaching roles, managing is a different animal.  Some have the aptitude for it.  Some do not have the aptitude.

The lack of consistent managing experience for Alomar in the minors or winter ball is showing at this point.  We don't know if Mike Sarbaugh would be doing any better or worse, but at least he managed in the minors for 9 seasons across many levels & he never had a losing record in those 9 seasons...


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DetDawg
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09/22/2020 1:45 am  

McKenzie has 1 more scheduled start before the start of the playoffs.  His FB velocity was 90.3 in his last start on the 19th, and it has dropped every start since his debut a month ago, when he averaged 94.5 mph.  That's a precipitous decline.  IMO, it would benefit the team more if they would skip McKenzie in the rotation on the 25th (Friday), and let him have about 10 days of rest before his next action, which would then likely be out of the bullpen.


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DetDawg
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09/22/2020 6:28 pm  

So, I guess McKenzie is available out of the BP beginning today.  I just don't think the Indians are handling him correctly, and I disagree with the rationalization that his velocity drop is normal.


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Willie Hood
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09/22/2020 8:11 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

So, I guess McKenzie is available out of the BP beginning today.  I just don't think the Indians are handling him correctly, and I disagree with the rationalization that his velocity drop is normal.

Injury concerns? I presume

I can't help but think it's fatigue IF he is healthy.  

As I've said in the past, I think he may end up being limited for sometime. With his build and injury history work as an opener may make more sense if not out of a traditional pen role.


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DetDawg
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09/22/2020 11:13 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99
Posted by: @detdawg

So, I guess McKenzie is available out of the BP beginning today.  I just don't think the Indians are handling him correctly, and I disagree with the rationalization that his velocity drop is normal.

Injury concerns? I presume

I can't help but think it's fatigue IF he is healthy.  

As I've said in the past, I think he may end up being limited for sometime. With his build and injury history work as an opener may make more sense if not out of a traditional pen role.

Injury concerns?  Yes, that's part of it.  Let's not kid ourselves.  McKenzie isn't a normal pitcher.  We don't know how durable he is, and I don't think we can assume away his velocity loss.  If it isn't the foreshadowing of an arm injury, and let's hope it isn't, then it is probably arm fatigue.  I don't think the answer to arm fatigue is to put him back on the mound in fewer days than he would have on a normal pitch rotation.  And if we want him at his best for the playoffs, I think the Indians should try to give him as much rest as feasible and see if his velocity can rebound, because if he can get his FB back up to 93-94, peaking at ~95-96, then he can be a real weapon coming out of the BP.  But, if his velo remains at 90-91, then it would be unfair to McKenzie to expect too much from him, or to put him in high leverage situations where it should be assumed that he can dominate hitters with a FB that is ~4 mph less than his peak capability.  And if the Indians don't give McKenzie the necessary rest, maybe his velo will continue to drop, possibly to below 90 mph.  IMO, the problem should be addressed before it gets to that point, when it will be too late to fix, as the team will either be on the cusp of the playoffs, or in the middle of it.


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DetDawg
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09/23/2020 10:14 am  

For someone who hasn't been pulling his weight, I was surprised by Lindor when he stood at the plate a very long time admiring his drive to CF in the 10th inning last night that hit at the top of the fence.  As he was the tying run, he should have been standing at 3B instead of 2B.  Fortunately for him and the team, Ramirez picked him up, turning a loss into a win.  IMO, his gaffe was close to a fining offense.


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DetDawg
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09/23/2020 3:39 pm  

The Indians have 4 of the top 16 ranked AL starting pitchers as measured by fWAR, with Bieber, Carrasco, Civale, and Plesac ranked 1st, 14th, 15th, and 16th, respectively.  Only 1 player of the top 16, former Indian Justus Sheffield (24 yrs, 4 months), is younger than the Indians' trio of Bieber, Civale, and Plesac, who are each 25 yrs old.

The Indians have 4 of the top 15 ranked AL starting pitchers as measured by xWAR, with Bieber, Plesac, Civale, and Carrasco ranked 1st, 10th, 11th, and 13th, respectively.  Only 1 player of the top 15, Cristian Javier (23 yrs, 5 months), is younger than the Indians' trio of Bieber, Civale, and Plesac.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/who-should-finish-second-for-al-cy-young/

In other words, the fact that Bieber, Carrasco, Civale, and Plesac are on both lists indicates that each is producing quality results this year, and that such results are not due to luck, suggesting that such results are producible in the future as well.  Additionally, the youth of Bieber, Civale, and Plesac (not to mention McKenzie) suggests that the core of the Indians' rotation is both elite and can be expected to produce at elite levels for multiple years, assuming good health.


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Themaven
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09/23/2020 11:35 pm  

McKenzie comes out of the bullpen tonight and sits at 94-95 with his fastball and snapped off some nasty sliders.So the velocity drop was temporary?

Mechanical issue?Doesn't seem to be injury related anyway.

Clevinger leaves his start after the first inning with the same bicep soreness that had caused the start to be pushed back in the first place.I still don't like the trade very much,but if Chernoff and Antonetti keep trading away ace starting pitchers and then have them go on the shelf like this season,no GM is ever going to want to deal with them.

Some more bonehead plays from the Tribe defensively tonight,it's becoming a regular occurrence under the Alomar regime.


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DetDawg
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09/24/2020 12:06 am  

Glad to be proven wrong about McKenzie.  Shows he can be a real weapon in the playoffs and a bridge to Karinchak and Hand.  That SL is proving to be an effective, go-to pitch, when combined with a mid-90s FB.


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Edible14
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09/24/2020 10:20 am  

Fangraphs leaderboard for pitching WAR in the AL:

1) Bieber, 3.2
2) Grienke, 2.1
3) Maeda, 2.1
4) Giolito, 2.0
5) Bundy, 2.0

NL is a lot closer:

1) Darvish, 2.7
2) DeGrom, 2.6
3) Burnes, 2.6
4) Bauer, 2.5
5) Lamet, 2.3

Bieber seems to be a stone cold lock for AL Cy Young. A lot of people online think Bauer won it last night but you can make cases for Darvish and DeGrom too (I don't know a lot about Corbin Burnes). 


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DetDawg
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09/24/2020 10:45 am  

Tiebreakers - 

The Indians lose in any 2-way tiebreaker with the Twins, and wins in a 2-way tiebreaker with the White Sox.

In a 3-way tiebreaker, the Twins would win, the Indians would be awarded 2nd place, and the White Sox would finish third.

https://www.si.com/mlb/indians/news/game-56-observations-indians-get-second-straight-walk-off-win-luplows-hr-lifts-tribe-to-3-2-win-over-white-sox#:~:text=News-,Game%20%2356%20Observations%3A%20Indians%20Get%20Second%20Straight%20Walk%20Off%20Win,2%20Win%20Over%20White%20Sox&text=The%20Indians%20move%20to%2032,one%20out%20in%20the%209th.

 


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