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Edible14
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09/24/2020 1:22 pm  

Defector (made of mostly former Deadspin writers) coming after Trevor Bauer with... Bauer's own logic:

https://defector.com/trevor-bauer-should-just-admit-it/

Basic idea is that Bauer is likely using some sort of substance - maybe not pine tar but something - to increase his spin rate. The jumps have been very noticeable for him there, the exact same kind of jumps he was using to accuse the Astros of pitch doctoring a few years back. 


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DetDawg
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09/24/2020 4:02 pm  

Bauer's spin rate increase has been noted by a few sources since the beginning of the season, which increase correlates strongly with his improved FB and overall results.  Bauer has previously observed that adding sticky stuff has the effect of increasing spin rates ~ 400 rpms, which is the approximate improvement in his spin rate this year from last.

Coincidentally, the improvement in Bauer's results comes at a critical time for him, as he becomes a FA after this season.


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Willie Hood
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09/24/2020 4:05 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

Bauer's spin rate increase has been noted by a few sources since the beginning of the season, which increase correlates strongly with his improved FB and overall results.  Bauer has previously observed that adding sticky stuff has the effect of increasing spin rates ~ 400 rpms, which is the approximate improvement in his spin rate this year from last.

Coincidentally, the improvement in Bauer's results comes at a critical time for him, as he becomes a FA after this season.

Are you insinuating he is doctoring the ball?

Anyone but Trevor Bauer! Lol.


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DetDawg
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09/25/2020 3:08 pm  

A few thoughts - 

The Indians were lucky to win yesterday's game.  Each of the pinch hits in the 7th inning had seeing eyes and/or were softly hit.

Cesar Hernandez is playing at an annualized fWAR rate of 4.6.  His play, both offensively and defensively, have been critical to the team.  His loss in free agency, which I assume is a given, will be hard to replace.

It used to be an axiom that Bieber pitches to contact, and that his Ks were the result of that approach.  But, lately, he seems more interested in pitching to avoid contact, and the result has been an increased walk rate, higher pitch count, shorter outings, and increased reliance on the BP.  I hope that doesn't continue into the playoffs, but fear that it will.

I also fear that DeShields' defense will cost Cleveland a game in the playoffs. 

McKenzie hasn't proven that he can fill one of the rotation spots next year, and that probably won't be determined until next year.  But, at least we know he has a major league arm, and with a bit more consistency, it appears that his SL can be a real  weapon.

 


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Edible14
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09/26/2020 12:31 pm  

About 20 minutes in on this fangraphs podcast, interview with David Speer (minor league LHP) on the Indians' pitching development process:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/?powerpress_pinw=347778-effectively-wild

 


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DetDawg
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09/26/2020 3:35 pm  

Food for thought.  The Indians have traded two SPs that were #1 SPs, or were at one time #1 SPs, both of whom had a history of recent injuries.  And both pitchers sustained injuries after they were traded.  The generally accepted view is that the other team received more value than they gave up.  But, when you take into account the amount of time that the traded pitchers were unavailable to pitch, or are expected to be unavailable to pitch, and the timing of that unavailability, it might be that a reevaluation of the trades might be in order where the Indians should be given more credit for knowing the risk of injury of the traded players.  I say that realizing that the Clevinger trade was made only about a month ago and that much needs to occur to be able to fully evaluate the trade.


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Willie Hood
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09/26/2020 4:52 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

Food for thought.  The Indians have traded two SPs that were #1 SPs, or were at one time #1 SPs, both of whom had a history of recent injuries.  And both pitchers sustained injuries after they were traded.  The generally accepted view is that the other team received more value than they gave up.  But, when you take into account the amount of time that the traded pitchers were unavailable to pitch, or are expected to be unavailable to pitch, and the timing of that unavailability, it might be that a reevaluation of the trades might be in order where the Indians should be given more credit for knowing the risk of injury of the traded players.  I say that realizing that the Clevinger trade was made only about a month ago and that much needs to occur to be able to fully evaluate the trade.

I have talked with some that say the deal is already a bust. Of course, I pointed toward the outcomes the Tribe has had over the years with deals like Choo, Sabathia, Blake, Lee, etc.


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The Prosecutor
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09/26/2020 5:22 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

For someone who hasn't been pulling his weight, I was surprised by Lindor when he stood at the plate a very long time admiring his drive to CF in the 10th inning last night that hit at the top of the fence.  As he was the tying run, he should have been standing at 3B instead of 2B.  Fortunately for him and the team, Ramirez picked him up, turning a loss into a win.  IMO, his gaffe was close to a fining offense.

And then last night he gets tagged out at second when he decides not to slide in a close game. Sandy needs to have a talk with the whole team about hustling, taking nothing for granted, and not getting picked off or making stupid decisions on the bases.


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DetDawg
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09/26/2020 6:42 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99
Posted by: @detdawg

Food for thought.  The Indians have traded two SPs that were #1 SPs, or were at one time #1 SPs, both of whom had a history of recent injuries.  And both pitchers sustained injuries after they were traded.  The generally accepted view is that the other team received more value than they gave up.  But, when you take into account the amount of time that the traded pitchers were unavailable to pitch, or are expected to be unavailable to pitch, and the timing of that unavailability, it might be that a reevaluation of the trades might be in order where the Indians should be given more credit for knowing the risk of injury of the traded players.  I say that realizing that the Clevinger trade was made only about a month ago and that much needs to occur to be able to fully evaluate the trade.

I have talked with some that say the deal is already a bust. Of course, I pointed toward the outcomes the Tribe has had over the years with deals like Choo, Sabathia, Blake, Lee, etc.

With so many prospects involved and with the Padres having control of Clevinger for more than 2 years, I think it's hard to come to that conclusion so quickly.  I get that a first-blush analysis can be negative.  However, the variability of potential outcomes of this trade is huge, and as noted, Clevinger has a risk of injury, which risk has already raised its ugly head.

It took quite a long time for the Indians to benefit from the trades of Sabathia and Lee.  For quite a while, those trades looked like busts.  It only takes one prospect to make a trade successful, and sometimes it isn't the top prospect that ends up being a success.


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DetDawg
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09/26/2020 7:00 pm  

I see that Pluto has revisited the Clevinger trade following the news of his injury.  I don't have access to his premium content, so I don't know how Clevinger's injury has effected his view of the trade.


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Edible14
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09/27/2020 9:55 am  

I am reminded of a common complaint about the Lee, Martinez and Sabathia trades. A lot was made during those trades about how we traded for quantity over quality, we didn't get back those high ranking prospects. It was, in some ways, negatively compared to the Andy Marte trade (or, more generously, the Blake/Santana trade).

The thing is, in both the CC and Lee trades, the guys who made those trades worth it were considered either the second or third pieces. Knapp was supposed to be the prize of the Lee trade, but he blew out his shoulder. Instead Carrasco is *still here*. LaPorta was the key of the CC trade, where Michael Brantley was the PBTNL. 

More than likely to me is that Cantillo or Arias end up being the jewels of this trade. 


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rsamak
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09/27/2020 1:06 pm  

With his recent performances does the Tribe need to look for a replacement for Civale in 2021?

Surprised the Clevenger trade didn't bring in an immediate good bat.  Do believe it's an excellent trade for the future. .. In a yr or 2 Josh Naylor could become a good to top bat. Team that with the possibilities of 1 of Arias, Cantillo, Miller turning out.

 

 


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Themaven
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09/27/2020 8:38 pm  
Posted by: @edible14

I am reminded of a common complaint about the Lee, Martinez and Sabathia trades. A lot was made during those trades about how we traded for quantity over quality, we didn't get back those high ranking prospects. It was, in some ways, negatively compared to the Andy Marte trade (or, more generously, the Blake/Santana trade).

The thing is, in both the CC and Lee trades, the guys who made those trades worth it were considered either the second or third pieces. Knapp was supposed to be the prize of the Lee trade, but he blew out his shoulder. Instead Carrasco is *still here*. LaPorta was the key of the CC trade, where Michael Brantley was the PBTNL. 

More than likely to me is that Cantillo or Arias end up being the jewels of this trade. 

While LaPorta was the blue chipper in the Sabathia trade and Brantley the PTBNL,Carrasco was most certainly the main pitcher in the Lee deal.

Carrasco was the #1 prospect in the organization https://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/10/28/648643/philadelphia-phillies-top and rated 43rd overall https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/8506/top-100-prospects-the-best-of-the-best/

Knapp was a recent draftee with a history of injury problems who flashed in low A that season.More of a lottery pick than anything.

Donald was a highly rated second basemen and Marson an already defensively ready catcher.

 


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Themaven
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09/27/2020 8:49 pm  

@pros

Alomar has needed to rein in several players who have played with a"lack of focus" over the time he's been managing.It's the major criticism I have of his managing style.There are no repercussions for repeated bad play.

Bonehead defensive plays,base running blunders and giving away at bats will undermine the best pitching performances.A few walk off wins don't wallpaper over the gaping holes in the way the Tribe has played under Alomar.


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DetDawg
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09/27/2020 9:08 pm  

Karinchak's FB had 2-3 more ticks to it today than he's had for most of the season, and it showed.  The Pirates hitters didn't come close to making contact with it.  If he can maintain a velocity of ~97 mph in the playoffs and throw strikes, he should dominate.

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