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DetDawg
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In a sign of the times, there are strong indications that the Cubs are going to non-tender Kyle Schwarber.


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Themaven
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Tyler Naquin has been non-tendered and will be in some other teams glass menagerie,waiting for his next injury.

Why Delino DeShields hasn't suffered the same fate is a mystery to me.


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Posted by: @themaven

Tyler Naquin has been non-tendered and will be in some other teams glass menagerie,waiting for his next injury.

Why Delino DeShields hasn't suffered the same fate is a mystery to me.

DeShields and Jefry Rodriguez have been non tendered as well.Oh happy day!

 


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Edible14
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A lot of fans on Twitter want the Indians to go after Schwarber but I don't- that would put either Franmil or him in LF and that's a bad defensive decision. Next year the Indians should be sorting through some of their younger options in the outfield at the outset of the season. Bauers/Naylor in LF/1B, Mercado/Zimmer in CF, Johnson/Luplow at RF. Then you fill in with Jones, Tom, Kwan, or whoever gets hot at AAA. I expect the first two months of the season will sort of be a last chance tryout for a few guys.

Zimmer either becomes a major leaguer or gets replaced. Chang either nails down a staring spot or becomes a permanent bench guy. Bauers either earns the 1B job or gets DFA'd for Bradley/Naylor. Then some combination of Tyler Freeman and Nolan Jones comes up to fill in the gaps. 


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DetDawg
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So, Santana signs a 2-yr deal with Kansas City for a reported guaranteed $17.5 million (I have also seen $17.0 million) per mlbtraderumors.com, an amount equal to what Santana would have earned in '21 if the Indians had picked up his option.  There is also a reported $1 million in incentives.  The deal is back loaded, with $7.0 million being paid in '21.  I would guess that most long-term deals agreed to this offseason will be back loaded, or at least with an amount that is less in '21 than in later years.


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More departures, the Indians lose OF Ka'ai Tom and RHP Luis Oviedo in the rule 5 draft. They picked up RHP Trevor Stephens from the Yankees in the MLB portion of the draft and OF Chris Roller from the Dodgers in the AAA portion.  

Oviedo was picked by the Mets and traded to the Pirates, I suspect the Pirates will be able to keep him since they're not contending. The Indians are stacked at pitcher, but still sucks to lose him. Their projected pitching staffs in both A ball teams was mostly full of guys who have never pitched a full season before, Oviedo would have been one of the few that was ready to be a full time starter from the jump. They will likely be relying on a lot of piggyback situations to minimize work load.

Tom finally gets a chance elsewhere with the A's. He would have been in a decent position here to finally break through with the outfield depth thinned out a bit, but I am sure Oakland will find use for him. Roller is pretty much just filler, the depth outside of the 40 is pretty weak right now in the OF. The top guy might be Steven Kwan. 


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Willie Hood
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Some fans have said they need to get a SS back for Lindor. A young OF (preferably a few) would be ideal.

I'm not against Schwarber, depending on the price. Jones will get time in triple-A to practice tying his shoelaces or some generic reason given "roster mgmt."

Bauers seems destined to get some time somewhere. But he could be booted for an upgrade or thrown-in a Lindor, Carrasco, and/or Perez deal.

Bradley seems to be on thin ice himself despite having an option remaining. He wasn't part of the club's playoff bubble, and Bauers was.

Jones's best position may be LF. He could be an Alex Gordon type there (move from 3b to LF) and display his strong RF capable arm. But with his lack of foot speed, perhaps 1b suits him.

Franmil Reyes still wants to play the field, and Indians Pro recently posted footage of the big slugger working out at 1b. Parental warning: this footage is not suitable for younger viewers, lol!

Where does Naylor play? This kid needs a home. He's someone I've liked for yrs (see my previous draft comments). He's hit at every level and displayed the athleticism to handle LF every day.

It seems we have more questions than answers. But, guys like Bauers, Bradley, and Yu Chang, for that matter, need an opportunity to show what they are before they are surpassed. That said, none of those three look like everyday players on a contender in what we have seen of them.


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Wittgren signs for $2m, on the higher end of his projections. Which brings an interesting question: who closes next year?

Wittgren: I actually really want him to close. I know the Indians have used him like a righty only specialist in recent years, but his career stats, 2019 and 2020 stats all suggest he is not that (2018 stats with the Marlins do). He's the most experienced guy, he's making the most money, he also isn't the best reliever, which frees up Karinchak and Clase to put out fires earlier. He also could serve as trade bait if the team sucks, and him being closer might increase his return.

Karinchak: That 12-6 curve wreaks havoc on batters of either hand, and that's what you want out of a closer. You want someone who pinch hitting doesn't matter against. The only arguments for keeping Karinchak out of the closing role is that you think relief ace is more important (I do) or you want to keep him from making as much money in arbitration when he gets there. 

Clase: Obviously we need to see him first, but if he comes back and is as good a flamethrower as he was before, he might be better than Karinchak because he has more control. He's also less proven and coming off a PED issue. 


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@edible14

 

Agree with trying out Wittgren as closer.. it's sutcha Tito move..


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Willie Hood
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I wont be surprised if that is the plan with Wittgren. It would suppress Karinchak's value $$$ when he hits arb year's. Additionally, it would keep him free to be used in high leverage situations.

Furthermore, it would explain why they'd be willing to pay him $2M when they weren't willing to pay Naquin, DeShields or David Dahl for that matter. However, I imagine that was as much about stability as it was about having a potential CL cheap.


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The Prosecutor
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Karinchak might be best suited for when you need a strikeout, like with runners on. However, his propensity to walk batters makes it a high risk/high reward play to bring him in with men on base. He could strike out three batters with a runner on third or he might walk the bases loaded. 

I could see Wittgren as the closer because he'll always be starting an inning with the bases empty and a hit or walk won't lose the game as long as he gets three outs. 

I'm a proponent of bringing in whoever has the best stuff when there are runners on and the opponent's most dangerous hitter coming up, no matter what inning it is. 


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DetDawg
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Former Indian Francisco Mejia, who has yet to attain his lofty potential, is reportedly getting traded again, this time to Tampa Bay in a package including Luis Patiño, Blake Hunt and Cole Wilcox for Blake Snell.


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DennisB
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Maybe something will click for him with Cash and the Rays system. Not sure I understand this trade from the Rays side though. How many more prospects can that system have? You would think they are facing a 40-man roster crunch similar to what we could have next fall.


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GSon
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@dennisb

 

...just shows that even if your system is loaded.. there are always guys who are better that push the poorer players off the roster.. A team that has to let quality prospects go while competing for a world series championship.. are doing something right.. very right, indeed..


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Willie Hood
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@gson

I believe they will utilize the talent to get back more talent/fill in needs.

(See the Twitter interaction from Indians Pro and me as Todd and I discuss this).

Adding players/prospects/pitching to Lindor would generate a better overall return.  There's so much volume there (10-15 players that could need to be added over the next yr) that the most straightforward path is to this depth to add to the club. 

Let's say they deal Lindor for an OF and pair of prospects. They can turn and use their depth to acquire another player like Adam Frazier, or maybe they target an LHRP with experience. The point is they have the depth to deal with, and this is all about feeding the big league roster.


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