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Edible14
(@edible14)
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06/28/2020 11:31 pm  

I like them giving some time to guys who need the development. With Hankins and Espino being on, I'm surprised Lenny Torres isn't on it yet - a big upside prospect who didn't get a lot of time last year. I suspect if they were going to fill out the 60 they would add him along with Giljegiljaw, Rocchio, Ka'ai Tom and Jared Robinson. But removing guys off the 60 means putting someone on waivers, so holding onto spots makes some sense in case you get a weird run of injuries at one particular position (e.g, both Roberto Perez and Sandy Leon get hurt, now you need another catcher so you add Giljegiljaw and Rupp. Or if Santana and Bauers got hurt and you need someone else who can play 1B besides Bradley)


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Petes999
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06/29/2020 4:14 am  

Another reason for spots left open is any trades will need to be from 60 player Pool and be placed onto 60 player Pool...We have dead weight on 40 man roster but for prospects ... either traded ... or traded for, you need to add them in the Pool. Thus, if Lindor or a Santana/Hand is traded due to slow start or cash strapped owner, what you get back must be fitted into the 60 man Pool, one way or another (if 40 man issues).


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Willie Hood
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06/29/2020 6:19 am  

Some players are limited by travel restrictions in their native countries. Oviedo has been working his way back from a back injury. Part of that has been work to get into better conditioning. He's highly regarded within but not a priority development at this time. 


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Willie Hood
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06/29/2020 6:33 am  
Posted by: @petes999

Another reason for spots left open is any trades will need to be from 60 player Pool and be placed onto 60 player Pool...We have dead weight on 40 man roster but for prospects ... either traded ... or traded for, you need to add them in the Pool. Thus, if Lindor or a Santana/Hand is traded due to slow start or cash strapped owner, what you get back must be fitted into the 60 man Pool, one way or another (if 40 man issues).

Sure a deal could happen bc of financial limitations- budget restrictions- on the FO. But, don't buy the recent reports (ESPN???) that they are having a fire sale. Some members of the media like to stir controversy or just double down on their old commentary. For example, this offseason when it was a foregone conclusion Lindor was getting traded to the Yankees or the Dodgers. Truth / reality escapes some "journalists" in light of increased views.

That said, there is a possibility theyll make some moves motivated by finances. That may come in the offseason as CA seemed to hint at in a recent comment. Frankly, I dont think its wise to deal in a flooded buyer's mkt. Either anticipate that and strike boldly or put together a package of assets that no one else can match.

There are a variety of ways this could go including seeing the Tribe make deals that cut both ways. What I mean there is they could sell and buy at the same time. Keying in on a young emerging player or quality veteran elsewhere that might be had.


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 GSon
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06/29/2020 7:38 am  
Posted by: @willhoo99
Posted by: @petes999

Another reason for spots left open is any trades will need to be from 60 player Pool and be placed onto 60 player Pool...We have dead weight on 40 man roster but for prospects ... either traded ... or traded for, you need to add them in the Pool. Thus, if Lindor or a Santana/Hand is traded due to slow start or cash strapped owner, what you get back must be fitted into the 60 man Pool, one way or another (if 40 man issues).

Sure a deal could happen bc of financial limitations- budget restrictions- on the FO. But, don't buy the recent reports (ESPN???) that they are having a fire sale. Some members of the media like to stir controversy or just double down on their old commentary. For example, this offseason when it was a foregone conclusion Lindor was getting traded to the Yankees or the Dodgers. Truth / reality escapes some "journalists" in light of increased views.

That said, there is a possibility theyll make some moves motivated by finances. That may come in the offseason as CA seemed to hint at in a recent comment. Frankly, I dont think its wise to deal in a flooded buyer's mkt. Either anticipate that and strike boldly or put together a package of assets that no one else can match.

There are a variety of ways this could go including seeing the Tribe make deals that cut both ways. What I mean there is they could sell and buy at the same time. Keying in on a young emerging player or quality veteran elsewhere that might be had.

A quick comment about the LA Dodgers attempted/rumored trade for Lindor.. that was nixed in favor of this incredible pair of deals with the Twins and Red Sox.. The Dodgers were staring down the barrel of possibly three of five of their starting pitchers going away/injured. Quite frankly, the Dodgers had good reason for lacking trust in Kenta Maeda as a bona fide starting SP. Relying on a raw or near raw rookies(Dustin May/Julio Urias) didn't sit well.. So, when the opportunity to get David Price along with a solid/spectacular middle of the order bat came along, the Dodgers went that way, instead. In fact, the return to the Dodgers ( Betts & Price along with a dump truck full of cash from Red Sox, Brusdar Grateral, the left handed OF bat of local boy (Hinckley, Ohio) Luke Raley and with the Twins Comp B pick that has became Clayton Beeter a flame throwing SP in the 2020 draft all for bad back Verdugo, Jeter Downs, Conner Wong, Jair Comargo & Maeda may go down as one of the best if not thee best deal of the past season. The Indians would have had to give up either Kluber or Carrasco along with Lindor to compete with this deal.. That's where the Indains valuation of the expected return for Lindor may have pushed the Dodgers away from the Indians. IMHO, the Dodgers would have been just as happy with our guy(s).. and it would have saved a BUNDLE of cash.. 

 

The rumors regarding potential deals with the Yankees would have had some voracity if it wasn't for the exclusion of truly talented players from the deal. The Indians FO was not and, hopefully remain uninterested in flawed/soon to be rejected failures disguised as NYY future stars.. 


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DetDawg
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06/29/2020 9:05 pm  
Posted by: @edible14

I like them giving some time to guys who need the development. With Hankins and Espino being on, I'm surprised Lenny Torres isn't on it yet - a big upside prospect who didn't get a lot of time last year. I suspect if they were going to fill out the 60 they would add him along with Giljegiljaw, Rocchio, Ka'ai Tom and Jared Robinson. But removing guys off the 60 means putting someone on waivers, so holding onto spots makes some sense in case you get a weird run of injuries at one particular position (e.g, both Roberto Perez and Sandy Leon get hurt, now you need another catcher so you add Giljegiljaw and Rupp. Or if Santana and Bauers got hurt and you need someone else who can play 1B besides Bradley)

As I understand it, a player can be moved off the 60-man roster as long as the roster isn't full, which explains why teams have left openings.  But, if it is, moving a player of the 60-man requires that the player be traded, waived, released or outrighted - unless the player is injured, comes down with Covid-19, or something strange occurs (suspension, retirement, et al).

If 3 or more players at the Alternate Site come down with Covid-19, then MLB reserves the right to allow the removal of those players from the Player Pool without requiring their release.

Some of these complex roster rules are spelled out in the Fangraphs article linked below.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/four-things-we-learned-from-60-man-player-pool-day/

 


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The Prosecutor
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06/30/2020 9:52 am  
Posted by: @detdawg

As I understand it, a player can be moved off the 60-man roster as long as the roster isn't full, which explains why teams have left openings.  But, if it is, moving a player of the 60-man requires that the player be traded, waived, released or outrighted - unless the player is injured, comes down with Covid-19, or something strange occurs (suspension, retirement, et al).

That's not how I read it. Fangraphs says there's no way a player can be moved off the 60-man without giving every team in the league a shot at him.

"Basically, once a player is in the pool, the only way they can be removed from it barring injury and few other roster oddities is to allow every other team to get a shot them, either through waivers or free agency. If you see someone named to the 60-man player pool, there’s a pretty good chance they will be the club for the duration of the season."

My impression is the reason spots were left open is so teams can have the flexibility of adding players from their own organization later if they have a run of injuries or illness at a particular position. 

 

 


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DetDawg
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07/03/2020 2:51 pm  

Deshields tests positive and is in quarantine.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29405507/indians-delino-deshields-jr-tests-positive-covid-19


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DetDawg
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07/04/2020 8:58 pm  

The Dodgers David Price opts out of season, voluntarily giving up his $32 million salary.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29410895/dodgers-pitcher-david-price-says-play-season


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Willie Hood
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07/04/2020 9:03 pm  

Mike Trout may opt out too. His wife is pregnant and due with their first child in August. He said he's undecided. He's been wearing a mask and taking precautions on the field and in drills.


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DetDawg
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07/04/2020 11:11 pm  

I don't begrudge anyone who elects to make this potentially life or death decision, particularly those players with children or, in Trout's case, players whose wives are expecting.  Fortunately, many of these players can afford to forego 1 year's salary.  I sympathize with those who don't have that financial freedom.


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