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Justin Lada
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05/06/2020 1:23 am  

The 2020 MLB draft might only be 5 rounds?


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Willie Hood
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05/06/2020 7:29 am  

It is disappointing that they'd go this route. I've made my opinion pretty well known, but it sure feels like MLB is missing it here.


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Willie Hood
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05/06/2020 3:58 pm  

Hopefully, we have some resolution this week. Owners are expected to finalize the length of the draft at either 5-10 rounds.

Frankly I think MLB is missing it cutting the draft. I understand the dynamics and financial concerns. This is also a huge marketing opportunity. 


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buckaroo
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05/06/2020 7:21 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99

Hopefully, we have some resolution this week. Owners are expected to finalize the length of the draft at either 5-10 rounds.

Frankly I think MLB is missing it cutting the draft. I understand the dynamics and financial concerns. This is also a huge marketing opportunity. 

This, at least to me, is a major disadvantage to smaller market teams like the Indians.  😖 

 


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Willie Hood
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05/06/2020 8:43 pm  

@buckaroo

Yes, it's frustrating bc teams like the Indians are dependant upon the inflow of affordable talent. I'm glad they have the comp A pick this year. A shortened draft just makes the margin for error that much smaller. I'm curious how it affects their approach of at all. 

Furthermore, there are other factors here too. Consider how they develop arms. A few premium arms early and couple college arms then college arm heavy later. Paired with what they do on the International front too. Right now, they have 3 pitchers with agreements in place for the 2020-21 J2 period of the 18 players they have commitments from. Where will they get arms?

They have plenty in the system with a lot of depth and the likelihood that they'll lose MV if not officially this season then maybe next as the minors are likely to be revamped massively after the coming reductions.

That said, we could see a heavier lean toward arms in the draft, but if it's only 5 rounds that essentially negates anything they would have or could have done unless they pushed all in and I seriously doubt they'd take that approach.


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Willie Hood
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05/07/2020 9:35 pm  

Its disappointing but all signs seem to be pointing toward the Indians only having 6 selections in the draft. Rumors have it the draft will only be 5 rounds.

Losing picks in rounds 6-10 costs the Tribe an additional $1M (rough figure) from the bonus pool along with talent in what is deemed a deep and talented draft class.

The ripple affects will be numerous...

Less Prep talent signs

Players return to school

JUCO may benefit 

UDFA are limited to $20k 

This hurts small mkt teams the most bc they depend heavily on adding talent in the draft.

Will this lead to a more conservative approach?

Consider they really dont spend on Internarional arms. Most get $10k or less in otherwords it's not the premium arms available.

Add the club usually drafts arms heavily in rounds 11-40. Where will they get arms now?

It definitely hurts...and will likely see an adjusted approach to this draft class no matter if it is 5 or 10 rounds.


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Willie Hood
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05/09/2020 6:13 am  

What does a 5 round draft look like for the Indians?

Will they kick against their previosu trends and go college early? There's plenty of talent there.

What about the opposite? Going prep heavy and trying to maximize the overall talent haul in the draft.


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MadThinker88
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05/09/2020 10:08 am  

Hello everyone.  Here is to making this message forum the go to place for insightful baseball chat. <cheers> 🍻 

Now, about the MLB draft of 2020...

Even though the draft is going to be 5 rounds this June, the Tribe still has the benefit of a 6th pick (the competitive balance pick A)..

I think the big question (like with many past years/ drafts) is going to be sign-ability of a player.  Not from the mindset of the Tribe trying to go cheap (for sake of this discussion the Tribe is offering slot plus $20k to each draftee) but would a player even be willing to sign.

- A college player might be willing to take his chances & go back to school & enter the draft again next season.

- A prep player might want to see how the draft continues to change over the next few years and goes to college instead of signing.

I realize many players will sign if drafted but I suspect more than a few will be taking a wait & see approach.


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Willie Hood
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05/09/2020 11:49 am  

I think we see a healthy draft class next yr bc of the kids that will go to JUCO.

That said, the Indians will lose out on talent this yr bc of the size of their pool.

Add Manfred sets the draft order if they play less than 81 games. He negotiated the right to do that?

WHY? 

Is it a chance to implement the rotating divisional drafting he's suggested?

Maybe!?! Bc he seems to have strong armed all of his ideas to this point.

I'm skeptical of him and to be honest feel he's done unfixable damage.


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Tondo
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05/10/2020 4:35 pm  

Hey there, thanks for getting these Forums up and running. 

I've watched the PG All American Classic in SD last summer which featured a lot of the best HS players for this draft. Here are some notes:

- Kelley looked good for the most part, but only saw one decent breaking ball. The FB moves a lot though, change was fine, but he left one up in a good battle vs J. Walker, who singled. Then picked him off with a great move. Plus plus pickoffs move

- my opinion of Walker moved the most from this look. In reports, he sounds like Benson 2.0, but he's much more advanced and better. Fouled off tough pitches with 2 strikes, down and high in the zone and then went opposite field for a hit vs Kelley. His contact ability and patience/zone awareness looked good.

- Ed Howard looked like a pro in the box and in the field. Auto pick if he should slide to 23

- Crews and PCA had good ABs, B. Jordan was overmatched, swung through many FBs in the zone, he reminded me of Benson's performance. Zabala is fun to watch and legged out a grounder, then scored by stealing two bases and forcing a throwing error. 

- Soderstrom had a bad day, uninspiring ABs, got himself out. 

- Dax Fulton was arguably the best pitcher. Only 91-93, but great command and the slider was sick. Struck out Veen with it. Montgomery threw lots of strikes, but didn't command, mostly FB. Santos and Rosario flashed their stuff, but also inconsistency. K. Harrison was disappointing, looked very hittable. Got a K on a plus breaking ball though. Baumler struggled a bit, but got out of a jam thanks to a rising FB up in the zone

- lesser known players that stood out: INFs Michael Brooks and Alex Freeland. Those two have great strikezone awareness and are tough outs. On the pitching side, GA 6'6 RHP Will Sanders got my attention (and of announcer Dan O'Dowd). He only throws upper 80s/t91, but it sinks, it's easy, misses bats and there's so much more in there. Great profile mix of now pitchability/control and future projection. I hope we draft him.

Targets:

23: Howard, PCA, Walker, Kelley

36: Fulton, Foscue

56: Bedell, Montgomery, Santos, Rosario, Hence, Hagenow

95+124: Sanders, Zabala, Freeland, Ondina, Denholm

124+154: Hickman, Kirian, Pettway, Polcovich, Z. Warren


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Willie Hood
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05/10/2020 8:07 pm  

@tondo

I'd be on board with any of those picks. I love Walker's combination of power and other intangibles. The biggest concern will be getting him away from Duke. I'd happily give him slot and even a little more if that's what it takes. Bo Naylor was the highest-paid recent draft choice at around $2.9M.

I wouldn't mind an arm like Bobby Miller. He's a strike-thrower with a sub 3.5 walk rate a fastball that touches 98 and a plus SL. His change and CB lag behind the other two, but he's a quality arm with potential for very good #3 may be more bc of his control. He has a long arm action, which I think can be shortened, he pulls off toward 1b both help generate reliever talk.

Chris McMahon is another quality arm. He has risen draft boards as the draft nears. McMahon is athletic and has performed at a high level. He has a bit of a reputation as a nibbler, being too fine and pushing his walk rate up. McMahon sits mid-90's with a plus changeup, avg curve, and abv avg control. 

Bedell screams Indians draft pick with average or better pitches and abv avg control with plus projection. His fastball is in the low-90's and could add a few ticks as he gets stronger.


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Justin Lada
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05/11/2020 8:04 am  

@willhoo99

 

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Willie Hood
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05/11/2020 8:07 am  

@justinal

Good to go.

I subscribed to the board which bypasses the login making it easier to navigate. 


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MadThinker88
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05/11/2020 9:33 am  

Kiley McDaniel posted a mock draft today on ESPN.  He projects the Tribe selecting Dillon Dingler (C from tOSU) at #23 & Jordan Walker (3B, high schooler from GA) at #36..

Any thoughts??


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Willie Hood
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05/11/2020 9:59 am  
Posted by: @madthinker88

Kiley McDaniel posted a mock draft today on ESPN.  He projects the Tribe selecting Dillon Dingler (C from tOSU) at #23 & Jordan Walker (3B, high schooler from GA) at #36..

Any thoughts??

I would be please with that draft. There's talk Dingler may sneak into the back of the top 10. Also rumors Cincinnati likes him at 12. Personally, I have both in the COMP A talent bracket.

Dingler is a fun mix of tools. He would probably be underslot there (my guess $2.25M-$2.5M) with the residual largely going to pay Walker who is expected to be a hard sign.

Dingler is older than normal (for CLE) but I believe the Indians would take an Ohio St. player like him for numerous reasons. He has a huge upside and could be the best C in this class. 

Dingler has an avg bat with similar power. He did show some pop this Spring after a hamate injury last yr. I think Dingler could even help in the OF - he was a CF before moving to C. He has a plus arm maybe the best in the class from C? He's an above avg runner.

Walker has one of the highest upsides in the draft class. There's an impressive display of power and he's more selective than someone might think of a power hitter. He's at least avg speed with (65 scout grade run times) an above avg arm and solid avg defense. I'd be happy with him at 23 or 36. He entered the season as a top 10 prospect, but seems to have slipped bc the emergence of college arms and perhaps questions of signability.


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