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GSon
 GSon
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The true interest in the decision to sign or to return to college is found in this year's seniors.. next year.. they don't / won't have that cushion / buffer... Couple that with the compression of prep players going to college (they weren't drafted). So, did seniors returning.. and juniors returning really give themselves an extra year or are they creating a good reason to go to NPB or KBO? and not just in 2021..now as well.. 

The real opportunity is in the undrafted college seniors and prep players.. This is where there is hay to be made. Many of these kids want to play baseball.. no more algebra.. no more grammar.. no more having to go to class to learn nothing that matters to them (at present).. They want to throw and/or hit the baseball hard.. even if it means taking $ 20K but getting to do what they love?. Sign me UP !!.. The indians and other teams could be looking as this group with a contract sweetener of a college education as part of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow... 

We should begin hearing of these signings in short order.. Any thoughts on who the Tribe might target?.. Perhaps Lael Lockhart?..


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DetDawg
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Would you believe that Prospect365.com ranked the Indians' draft as 2nd best to the Tigers, citing in particular how the skills of Burns, Allen, and Hickman match the traits that the Indians look for?  Burns, Halpin, and Hickman were listed as among the best selections of the draft.

https://prospects365.com/2020/06/12/the-best-classes-and-picks-from-the-2020-mlb-draft/


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Edible14
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Posted by: @detdawg

Would you believe that Prospect365.com ranked the Indians' draft as 2nd best to the Tigers, citing in particular how the skills of Burns, Allen, and Hickman match the traits that the Indians look for?  Burns, Halpin, and Hickman were listed as among the best selections of the draft.

https://prospects365.com/2020/06/12/the-best-classes-and-picks-from-the-2020-mlb-draft/

I'm so happy with what I've been hearing that I needed to come make an account to see if you all were pleased as well. I have no idea how they're going to find playing time for all these middle infielders next year, especially if short season A is eliminated as proposed. 


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Tondo
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That was a solid day 2. Really liked Allen, Halpin and Hickman selections. Tolentino was the annual redundant HS SS pick, the sacrifice to the draft gods. The idea is that every 10th Tolentino/Cairo turns into Rocchio, so they keep piling those profiles up. Tolentino seems to also be a baseball rat, but it sounds like there isn't much upside left. Would have preferred Cantrelle or another college arm, Dollard, Seminaris or Boyle. Similarly, the idea is that every 10th Hickman, Gaddis, Dollard etc turns into Bieber or Civale. The Indians even seem to develop them at a better rate.

I'll give this class a B-/C+ grade. The lack of upside early hurts it. A little disappointed that the HS arms and upside college arms (Cecconi, Henry) were skipped entirely, but they added a lot of depth to the system. The top 4 should slot into the 15-25 range of the Indians prospect list.

Everybody loves the Tigers draft, but I don't. They grabbed a bunch of college bats that were overrated and I was with O'Dowd a Martin over Tork guy.

Once again it was STL who took a bunch of favorites with Walker, Hence, Bedell.

The Rays proved one of the best again by showing how you can go high upside BPA early and still draft solid prospects after. I'm not a fan of the Alika Williams pick, but the rest of their class was sneaky good considering they were paying for Bitsko throughout.

Angels, Twins, Astros and Yankees had solid drafts with few picks. Royals had a good draft, as did the Rox and Mariners. White Sox lucked into Kelley, but the rest was bad. Experts putting lipstick on the O's draft, but it was horrible considering their budget possibilities. 


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Tondo
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Expected signing bonuses, low to high in parenthesis:

Tucker 2M (1.75-2.25)

Burns 1.8M (1.6-2)

Allen 1.2 (1-1.4)

Halpin 1.5 (1.3-1.7)

Tolentino 750K (500K-1M)

Hickman 250K (175-325)

Total: 7.5M of 7.66M

That would leave 160K for 8 FA signings at 20K. Maybe more, as I might be a little too high on Halpin's bonus. 

 


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Tondo
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Speaking of FA, there are some solid older JR and SR left.

RHP Mason Erla turns 23yo this summer. He was a late rising college arm. Does he really go back to campus? Might the best 20K value possibly available.

I'd try my luck on GA Tech 2B Luke Waddell. Here's my list of what I believe are realistic options. 

RHP:

Luke Smith - Louisville (SR) 

John Baker - Ball St. (SR)

Cam Cowan - Campbell (Jr)

J. Hughes - GA Tech (SR) 

B. Van Belle - Miami (SR)

G. Dalatri - N. Carolina (rJR)

K. Mora - UCLA (SR) 

L. Roupp - UNC Wilmington (JR)

LHP:

B. Hurter - GA Tech (Jr)

Z. Sharpe - UNC Wilmington (rJR)

J. Owen - Auburn (Jr)...maybe Burns bonus add

M. Lardner - Gonzaga (SR)

L. Lockhart - Houston (SR)

S. Strickland - Samford (JR)

P. Scott - Oklahoma St. (rJR)...23yo, crazy numbers past year

T. Hall - Mercer (SR) 


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wf617984
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I give the Indians draft grade a solid B

 


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Mackie_Lundquist
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As I understand it, the Tribe can sign as many eligible amateur players as they wish as long as the bonus does not exceed $20,000. There is no limit.


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Tondo
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Realistic Position players of interest:

C M. Scheffler - Auburn (SR) 

C M. Turner - Kent St. (Jr) 

C Lockwood-Powell - CMU (rJR) 

C Z. Fascia - Purdue (SR) 

CF Troiani - Bentley (21.8yo SR)

CF A. Masel - Holy Cross (SR) 

CF D. Harris - N. Carolina (SR)...67/53 BB/K, 400 OBP in ACC

CF H. Wolfe - TCU (SR)..drafted twice, 310/423/508 career Big12, 24yo

CF B. Beesley - Cal Poly (SR) 

2B B. Klein - Texas Tech (SR)...major favorite

2B S. Dubrule - Jacksonville (SR)

2B I. Fullard - Iowa (JR)...young, probably returns, but major sleeper 

2B/OF B. Carew - Kent St (rJR) 

2B F. Urbaez - FAU

SS/3B E. Yake - Gonzaga (rJR) 

INF D. Dues - Wright St (Jr)..71/45 career BB/K

1B M. Mervis - Duke (SR)...pedigree, Cape performer, young SR

cINF C. Pohl - Ohio St. (SR) 


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OhioBaseball
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Tondo, that is a great list of pitchers. Thank you for sharing. I thought I was the guy for college pitching! Seriously good.

I'm very pleased the Indians spent money on this draft. Regardless of how the hard dollar numbers work out, the Indians got a commensurate level of talent for their pool. I know people don't like owners, but there were a lot of reasons why an owner could justify not adding more financial liabilities through the draft but Dolan allowed the spend. Great work by the organization to get there.

There's a lot of limitations to basing opinions off clips on YT, but I think Petey Halpin looks like a surprisingly good prospect. Athletic, clear physical projection upside, he runs, he throws, he hits. Good swing, bat speed already there and it should improve. I'm surprised a guy that looks like this is available late in the 3rd round. He's got a polished swing that should show hitting ability as a pro early, and at times during BP he unleashes some nasty swings to demonstrate power upside. To me, had he gone to college, he looks like he would have been a mid 1st round guy after 3 years. He's not there yet and more work to do but looks like a good selection to me.


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Tondo
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Why they were drafted, 2019+20 stats:

M. Hickman 115.3 IP, 72 H, 155/31 K/BB

L. Allen 109.6 IP, 88 H, 161/31 K/BB + Cape: 15 IP, 7H, 0ER, 24/3 K/BB

T. Burns 102 IP, 80 H, 133/30 K/BB

Combined: 342 IP, 244 H, 473/95 K/BB


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Petes999
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With the exception of not getting a FOR starter potential (and possible catcher in OSU kid vs Burns), there isn’t much not to like with Indians draft. 

Just looking at our overall strategy, I didn’t like Tucker just because you are taking so many SS and needing to push them to other positions which is fine due to athleticism but you don’t have many power prospects for the corners. 

You are also overlooking the pitching staff (FOR potential). International signings, usually only have 1-2 pitchers on July 1 (Aldeano this year). The rest are the lower level signings hoping someone pops out like TT ...but then you trade him away.

Yet, overall, Indians probably played their board with the knowing, there are always risers and fallers based on spring ball. This year, that adjustment was the big unknown. Thus, they got a bunch of 40-70 range guys and hoping guys like Tucker and other HS kids would have popped up a bunch due to the extra year of seasoning. 

I would have liked Bistko in the 1st. Yet, when his spin rates are highly publicized, you got to wonder why the agent wouldn’t produce a 10 minute simulated inning to show accuracy. It’s not like a tryout where he has only one chance (you can tape 10 sessions and pick the best). Kind of reminds me of a comment a coach made about a highly touted local kid (throws extremely hard but where is never known).

I just hope that they see something in Hickman. They say he tops at 91. But watching his 3rd game vs Michigan this year and he started the game at 89. Yes, Bieber did the same and jumped up .... yet, not many kids jump 3-4 mph after 3 years of college. But, then again, we are usually taking a college senior by the 5th/6th round. Thought I saw him listed as top-65 pre-season prospect. 

It will be interesting if you have no mlb baseball this year, how the minors will shuffle out next year. Yes, you have only few drafted this year but have a large International signing class the last few years pushing for Arizona time with no MV...


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DetDawg
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Here's a rather detailed analysis of the Indians' draft selections from a website I'm unfamiliar with.  But, the author of the article goes into quite a lot of detail on pitcher and hitter mechanics, and gives PV/FV grades for the tools of each player.

I invite others that have more expertise on hitter/pitcher mechanics and first-hand knowledge of the drafted players than I to offer a critique of the article. 

One quibble I have is that he seems to be a bit cavalier in dismissing a concern that I have of Tanner Burns, i.e., the fact that he's shown a lack of durability during his college career, giving rise to projections by some that he may not have the ability to be more than a multiple-inning RP.

https://prospectsworldwide.com/2020/06/14/indians-draft-analysis/


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GSon
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There were four UDFA names that seemed like "value" pickups for the Indians.. As of this writing, the top guy has already signed with the KC Royals.. They are...

 

Kale Emshoff, a Catcher from Arkansas Little Rock (signed with the Royals)

Adam Kerner, a Catcher from the University of San Diego.. a smallish guy that has put on added muscle since the college season was curtailed. he's now closer to 190 pounds than the listed 175..  Still has a BAZOOKA for an arm.. very agile with quick feet and soft hands.. IDK much about his hit tool..

Blake Brown.. an RP from UNC-Asheville.. not a big guy, but, not a small guy either.. Similar in stature to Cody Allen.. Has a ML fastball (upper 90's) ..and has been a starter. IMHO.. he'd be a reliever as a pro.. 

John McMillon.. an RP from Texas Tech.. He is a big guy (6'3"/6'4" & 235).. and throws hard.. He returned to TT in order to get back to the College World Series.. alas.. that ended with Covid.. He's a 12-13K/9IP guy who has the makings of a pair of secondaries.. He's still too wild.. but, he's also just 21/22... Could be a real chance he'd be seduced by the Indians FO & pitching developement reputation.. 

Thoughts?


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Mackie_Lundquist
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Has the tribe signed anyone yet?


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