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DetDawg
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06/28/2020 11:30 am  

The Indians have signed 4th round pick SS Milan Tolentino.  Don't know the bonus.

https://twitter.com/indiansPro/status/1277234200958177280

Picks 1, 2, 4, and 5 have now been signed.  Two more to go. competitive balance pick RHP Tanner Burns and 3rd rd pick OF Petey Halpin.


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Willie Hood
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06/28/2020 12:42 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

The Indians have signed 4th round pick SS Milan Tolentino.  Don't know the bonus.

https://twitter.com/indiansPro/status/1277234200958177280

Picks 1, 2, 4, and 5 have now been signed.  Two more to go. competitive balance pick RHP Tanner Burns and 3rd rd pick OF Petey Halpin.

Expect Burns to come in under slot (my guess $1.75-$1.85M) with Halpin getting the balance plus school paid in full. They currently have about $1,080,000 in savings.


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OhioBaseball
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07/01/2020 11:36 am  

If I had to bet with 50/50 odds, I would say Tanner Burns is going to be added to the 60 man roster when he signs. He is an advanced pitcher and I think belongs with that group after watching him the last few years. Burns is a competitor and was geared up for his final run at Auburn in a very competitive SEC conference and I bet he wants to get back out there badly. I think he belongs with that group.

I don't know Logan Allen as well but perhaps he would be added, too? Both are polished but the difference between he and Burns is Burns has the velo and breaking ball that could potentially work in MLB now. We shall see.

I was surprised Rocchio was not added to the initial list. He's been posting videos of him in Venezuela so I bet that is complicating this. The US and Venezuela do not have good relations, to put it mildly.

We'll see how this goes but I think Burns will be on the taxi squad competing this summer in Lake County, assuming his arm is good to go.

 


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Willie Hood
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07/01/2020 3:51 pm  
Posted by: @ohiobaseball

If I had to bet with 50/50 odds, I would say Tanner Burns is going to be added to the 60 man roster when he signs. He is an advanced pitcher and I think belongs with that group after watching him the last few years. Burns is a competitor and was geared up for his final run at Auburn in a very competitive SEC conference and I bet he wants to get back out there badly. I think he belongs with that group.

I don't know Logan Allen as well but perhaps he would be added, too? Both are polished but the difference between he and Burns is Burns has the velo and breaking ball that could potentially work in MLB now. We shall see.

I was surprised Rocchio was not added to the initial list. He's been posting videos of him in Venezuela so I bet that is complicating this. The US and Venezuela do not have good relations, to put it mildly.

We'll see how this goes but I think Burns will be on the taxi squad competing this summer in Lake County, assuming his arm is good to go.

 

I mentioned Rocchio on Twitter last night. Ben Badler has confirmed he returned home to VZ and has been unable to leave.

At this point, it is my understanding that both Burns and Allen will be added.


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Willie Hood
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07/01/2020 3:55 pm  

I haven't seen Tolentino's signing or bonus officially announced anywhere yet but I expect something in the $750k to $1M range.

Tolentino was reportedly getting some first round considerations on draft day. My guess underslot at 17 in similar fashion to Nick Yorke. He was a UCLA commit too telling me he gets a handsome sum to sign.


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OhioBaseball
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07/03/2020 9:47 am  

Thanks, Willie. I think Rocchio looks really good in some of the videos he's posed of himself on Twitter in Venezuela but he really needs to be in the US getting physical training. He has so many fundamental skills in place but he really, really needs to get stronger with training. I'm sure he is working in VZ but the capabilities (and nutrition) there can't be close to what he'd be getting with the Indians organization. The country has been in peril for a long while now.


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DetDawg
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07/03/2020 4:35 pm  
Posted by: @ohiobaseball

Thanks, Willie. I think Rocchio looks really good in some of the videos he's posed of himself on Twitter in Venezuela but he really needs to be in the US getting physical training. He has so many fundamental skills in place but he really, really needs to get stronger with training. I'm sure he is working in VZ but the capabilities (and nutrition) there can't be close to what he'd be getting with the Indians organization. The country has been in peril for a long while now.

Agree about the need to add strength.  Most every evaluation I've seen of Rocchio notes that he doesn't appear to have the frame to add much muscle, and projects to have less than average power.  That said, he needs to do what he can to add as much power to his game as is possible.

Rocchio only received a $125,000 bonus upon signing with the Indians.  So, he might not have the financial flexibility to stay in the states and work on his conditioning as some other Latin players who received larger bonuses might.  And as you note, the US is not on good terms with Venezuela.  So, problems getting back to the US shouldn't be surprising, or unanticipated, particularly given the pandemic.  

 


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07/03/2020 6:48 pm  

Halpin is signed for $1,525,000, $914,200 above slot. 

https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1279153512727941120

The Indians have reportedly signed Tolentino, but his bonus hasn't been made public.  The Indians have about $169.2K to spend above slot to sign Tolentino and Burns.  Slot is $460K for Tolentino and $2.05M for Burns.


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OhioBaseball
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07/04/2020 11:03 am  
Posted by: @detdawg
Posted by: @ohiobaseball

Thanks, Willie. I think Rocchio looks really good in some of the videos he's posed of himself on Twitter in Venezuela but he really needs to be in the US getting physical training. He has so many fundamental skills in place but he really, really needs to get stronger with training. I'm sure he is working in VZ but the capabilities (and nutrition) there can't be close to what he'd be getting with the Indians organization. The country has been in peril for a long while now.

Agree about the need to add strength.  Most every evaluation I've seen of Rocchio notes that he doesn't appear to have the frame to add much muscle, and projects to have less than average power.  That said, he needs to do what he can to add as much power to his game as is possible.

Rocchio only received a $125,000 bonus upon signing with the Indians.  So, he might not have the financial flexibility to stay in the states and work on his conditioning as some other Latin players who received larger bonuses might.  And as you note, the US is not on good terms with Venezuela.  So, problems getting back to the US shouldn't be surprising, or unanticipated, particularly given the pandemic.  

 

Yeah, if you look at Rocchio today and Francisco Lindor when he was in high school (tapes are on YT), Rocchio's frame is not as big (nor as loose and athletic) so I agree with your assessment. I love Rocchio but that is on the condition he gets stronger. He's got the swing in place with appropriate loft (its very similar to Lindor) that will lead to power but if he doesn't develop physically he's not going to be that good. While his frame his not that big, I have seen some impressive physical transformations of those that grind hard and put in the work. I know nothing about Rocchio's background or what he has had to go through growing up in Venezuela, so I will stay out of it but I want what is best for him.

Halpin got a nice bonus and I don't think it is surprising. He looks like a good player to me and stands a good chance of being the best guy taken by the Indians this draft. Tucker is the upside guy of the class, but a lot of other guys look like very solid baseball players with good chances of being MLB contributors.


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Petes999
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07/04/2020 3:45 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

Halpin is signed for $1,525,000, $914,200 above slot. 

https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1279153512727941120

The Indians have reportedly signed Tolentino, but his bonus hasn't been made public.  The Indians have about $169.2K to spend above slot to sign Tolentino and Burns.  Slot is $460K for Tolentino and $2.05M for Burns.

Tolentino signs for $800k  ... $340k over thus Burns must have agreed to $170k under or $1.835M as they couldn’t sign others who penalty otherwise.


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Willie Hood
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07/04/2020 4:09 pm  
Posted by: @petes999
Posted by: @detdawg

Halpin is signed for $1,525,000, $914,200 above slot. 

https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1279153512727941120

The Indians have reportedly signed Tolentino, but his bonus hasn't been made public.  The Indians have about $169.2K to spend above slot to sign Tolentino and Burns.  Slot is $460K for Tolentino and $2.05M for Burns.

Tolentino signs for $800k  ... $340k over thus Burns must have agreed to $170k under or $1.835M as they couldn’t sign others who penalty otherwise.

Personally, I had Burns projected at $1.75 to $1.85M. They've gone over their pool allotment for 7 consecutive years. That said, the short draft makes doing so a little more unlikely I guess. Offering slot would put them over their pool and incur cash penalty.


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DetDawg
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07/04/2020 4:58 pm  
Posted by: @petes999
Posted by: @detdawg

Halpin is signed for $1,525,000, $914,200 above slot. 

https://twitter.com/MLBPipeline/status/1279153512727941120

The Indians have reportedly signed Tolentino, but his bonus hasn't been made public.  The Indians have about $169.2K to spend above slot to sign Tolentino and Burns.  Slot is $460K for Tolentino and $2.05M for Burns.

Tolentino signs for $800k  ... $340k over thus Burns must have agreed to $170k under or $1.835M as they couldn’t sign others who penalty otherwise.

If I recall correctly, teams can exceed their pool allotment by up to 5% without incurring any penalty.  I think the Indians' pool $$ is $7,674,200, and 5% of that amount is $383,710.  So, I think the Indians have more to spend on Burns.

 


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Willie Hood
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07/04/2020 5:08 pm  

@detdawg

It is 5 percent threshold without draft pick penalty and cash penalty for anything above pool allotment. Meaning it could go to their limit maybe a bit over.

On draft night Barnsby told me they would stay within their allotment. They could do that or go over just a bit.


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DetDawg
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07/04/2020 6:09 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99

@detdawg

It is 5 percent threshold without draft pick penalty and cash penalty for anything above pool allotment. Meaning it could go to their limit maybe a bit over.

On draft night Barnsby told me they would stay within their allotment. They could do that or go over just a bit.

Thanks.  I knew there wasn't any draft pick penalty, and had a feeling I was forgetting a detail, but was too lazy to look it up.

 


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DetDawg
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07/06/2020 10:47 am  

There's a couple of things I've learned in the last week or two from Indians Prospective.  One, Daniel Espino has a new delivery.  And two, Tyler Freeman has added some muscle to his frame  over the winter.

Here's a link to Espino using his new delivery.  To me, it looks shorter, both his delivery and his landing point, and is somewhat less athletic.  His hand is away from his body, and I don't see much deception.  Here's some video.

https://twitter.com/indiansPro/status/1278856159936593922

I don't have any video of Freeman.  However, there have been 2 concerns about his bat.  One is his unwillingness to take a pitch.  Fangraphs gives him a "pitch selection" grade of 30.  Of the Indians' 28 position players that Fangraphs has given an overall FV grade of 35+ or better to, only Jose Tena (25) and Alexfri Planez (30) have pitch selection grades as bad as his.

The other negative is Freeman's lack of power.  Fangraphs projects that his FV game power will be 30.  Of the Indians' top 28 position players, only Jose Fermin (30) and Steven Kwan (30) have future game power grades as low as Freeman.  So, if Freeman has added some muscle that translates to improved game power, that will address one of the 2 aspects of his game that could cap his ceiling to that of an average MIF.


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