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05/27/2020 1:01 pm  

@willhoo99

 

There's a pretty good chance Kelly will be gone by the time the Indians select at # 23.. but if he's there..it would be another fine addition to a stable of young strong armed hurlers in the Tribe system..

BTW: I am still of the opinion that a deal for the Indians Competitive Balance Lottery Selection A would be most helpful to fill a significant hole (real or perceived) in the parent club a LOT sooner than any draft choice might be able to by the time he's ready.. FWiW. It would also achieve a bandied/discussed  strategy of "cost reduction" by making the "trade" instead of picking a guy who the indians have no intention of paying a multi-million dollar signing bonus. I suggested a deal with the Astros (who have no picks in the first two rounds) whereby the Indians get one of two 23 year olds: Bryan Abreu or Kyle Tucker for the pick.. 

Thoughts?..


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05/27/2020 1:38 pm  

@gson

The picks cannot be traded (immediately). That said, another Trea Turner type scenario could be possible. Though my sense is teams are more concerned how to maximize talent while working within the parameters being pushed on them by owners at this point.

We could see a wild wild 5th round with some talent losing huge...

The did utilize the comp B last yr in a trade and moved some Intl pool space too...though they were tied to Sanchez the SS that signed with the ChiSox.

In fact, even the Intl pool space cannot be traded for the next 2 yrs as well.


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06/05/2020 6:53 am  

Under a week to go until the draft anyone want throw out some mock draft scenarios?

1.23 Ed Howard-SS 

1.36 Carson Montgomery-RHSP

2.56 Zach McCambley-RHSP

3.95 Ian Bedell- RHSP

4.124 Taylor Dollard- RHSP

5.154 Shane McGuire- C

I think at 23 the Indians grab the biggest value slider they can. That could be a number of guys. Going Howard here, but could be Jared Kelley, JT Ginn and some others I think are in play... Patrick Bailey, Tanner Witt, Dillon Dingler, Bobby Miller, Chris McMahon, Slade Cecconi,Tyler Soderstrom and of course Nick Bitsko if he slides.

At 36 I think Jordan Walker could be there, but he seems likely to be gone at this point. I think he is a real candidate to go at 23. I love the power projection. Offensively he strikes me as another Reyes type of bat. Carson Tucker, Carson Montgomery and Dax Fulton could all be in play here and in consideration at 23 too. Any number of college arms could be tempting if they slide. I think 1 of Bryce Jarvis, Carmen Mlodzinski and Cole Henry could possibly be available here too. Someone like Justin Foscue could slide to 36 bc of position (2b) and Austin Wells (C/1b/LF- ???).

A few more names to know for me...

Markavein Hence, David Calabrese, Enrique Bradfield, Chase Davis, Ricky Tiedemann, Zach McCambley, Ian Bedell, Taylor Dollard, Adam Seminaris, Holden Powell, Tommy Troy among those we could see the Indians grab through rounds 2-5.


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06/05/2020 4:03 pm  

I'm having a tough time figuring out what the Indians are going to do. Part of that is the uncertainty of this draft and the potential for a differing approach, not only for the Indians, but for all teams in general. If the Indians plan on spending their entire draft pool (which they should), then I see them sticking with their young for class, high upside approach. If not, bargain shopping in the college ranks to save $$. I think we see a mixed approach with them taking a $$ saver at 23 and then a high upside talent that falls to them at 36. Unless Bitsko is there at 23. If he is there, I would be shocked if he isn't the pick. He just fits their profile too well and his upside is just too high for them to pass him up IMO. With all that said, here is my mock.

23. Bryce Jarvis - Bit of a gamble and not a typical Indians pick. Lack of track record is a major concern, however, if what we saw this spring and BP sessions are indicative of his true talent, this would be great value here. Especially considering the draft pool $$ savings. Potential for 4 average or better pitches to go along with above average control. Could move fast through the system and be a MOR arm.

36. Aaron Sabato - Just turned 21 yesterday (6/4). Ton of power for a system that lacks really good 1B prospects. BB rate jumped up to 22% and K rate dropped to 17% in his small 19 game 2020 sample. Could be a fast mover through the system and mash as 1B/DH.

56. Petey Halpin - Young for the class guy, above average speed and arm. Good hit tool and could grow into average power. 

95. Markevian Hence - Very young for class, room for growth, with potential for 4 average or better pitches. Bit undersized at 6'1''. Love his potential.

124. Hayden Cantrelle - Switch hitting SS. Rough spring in a small sample, but has a strong track record otherwise, including a strong cape performance. 

154. Joey Wiemer - Tons of tools, including plus raw power, speed, and arm strength. Youngish for the class. Needs to tone down the swing a bit, but with proper adjustments I think he can improve his hit tool and tap into that raw power better. 


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06/06/2020 2:59 pm  

I've been tuned out but I have seen a lot of these players in the past two years so here's some summarizing thoughts ahead of the draft. I haven't paid any attention to draft lists or anything until this morning when I went through the FanGraphs list so I'm focusing on players that may be available to the Indians and ones where I share a different idea of prospect quality than the FG list. In no particular order...

Austin Martin (2B, Vanderbilt) - Not going to be available for the Indians but I mention because he's my #1 in this class. I love him. Such a polished swing that will have him move quickly in pro ball. He's played 3B and CF for Vandy but I think his natural position is 2B. I think his arm is not strong enough for 3B, though he's got the athleticism to play the position. In CF, he's an average runner though having seen him w/ Team USA at the position he has surprisingly good instincts out there. Once Martin gets to MLB, there's very likely to be another OF or two that play CF better than Martin on the MLB team and if you develop him as an OF, you're probably going to end up switching him to LF and that is not ideal. I've actually never seen him play 2B but he makes athletic plays and at the MLB level, there's going to be too many situations where Martin doesn't make the play b/c his arm isn't quite good enough at 3B b/c I've seen it a couple times at the college level already. My hierarchy of his defensive positions goes 2B, then 3B and CF is a distant third choice. Anthony Rendon has more power but I think is a very good comp for Austin Martin.

Zach DeLoach (OF, Texas A&M) – I think he is one of the more underrated hitters in this draft. He is old for his class and getting to physically maxed out, but he has all the MLB tools you seek. He is 6’2”, strong, plus runner, moves well in the OF, has a very strong swing that is short to the ball. He gets really good bat speed with extension on a short swing. I do not think he has first step quickness so I see him limited to RF (not CF), but he can play RF in MLB and I think he can hit well enough to be a regular. I think he is a late first round caliber guy, but it looks like he can be had in the 2nd round (FG at 64). I think he was poised to have a great season, put up big numbers and go 1st round based off his production. His sophomore season #'s were a fluke.

Dillon Dinger (C/OF, Ohio State) – I have only seen once and it was because I wanted to see Seth Lonsway (Ohio State LHP) pitch. Did not know of him going into the game, but athletic and strong build at 6’3”, 215 lbs and a plus runner (4.2 second home to 1st as a RH and was smooth). My notes say he was a good receiver of Lonsway’s CB, which is a really difficult pitch to handle. Its not too surprising he is getting 1st round talk now b/c he did stand out in-game to someone that knew nothing about him but I'm not supportive of the Indians him in the 1st but that is based only on one look.

Justin Foscue (2B/1B/DH, Miss State) – Saw a lot of him w/ Team USA last June. At times it was hard to distinguish between him and Spencer Torkelson at the plate b/c they look pretty similar in various respects, though Torkelson was more polished and in better physical condition. He’s a really good hitter, the type that I think will crush lefties but I think may be vulnerable to good RH sliders w/ his current approach. If he could play 2B he’d be a sure fire 1st rounder, but I have seen a lot of him and his range is well below MLB standards and projects to remain so. He has some infield actions so you definitely cannot write him off at the position. He’s a below average runner w/o first step quickness so I’m doubtful on his future as a LF. If things work out, I think Allen Craig (former STL Cardinal) is a very good comp not only b/c no clear position but there are body and offensive approach similarities too.

Jordan Nwogu (OF, Michigan) – This guy is really well put together and young for his class. Legitimately built like an NFL linebacker yet is a good baseball player. Sometimes does not look natural on the field but I really like the upside. Big guys like this can get long with their swings but he makes a real effort to be short and does a good job with it. FanGraphs has him at 179 which would be really good value if a 5th round pick. Higher risk pick but he has MLB impact potential (upside) and can be had later in the draft apparently.

Patrick Bailey (C, NC State) – Athletic, switch hitting catcher. Moves very well behind the plate, has good arm strength and I think projects to play C in MLB, although he is capable of playing RF too as he’s a MLB average runner. I don’t see a lot of bat speed from him nor power projection, and I think he projects as an ordinary hitter in MLB. I think he projects as a solid regular at the MLB level (avg defense, avg offense) but I don’t see a lot of upside, though he could improve as he’s young for his class.

Casey Martin (SS, Arkansas) – Plus tools and excellent quickness, speed and athleticism. He’s small but he has power in his swing. Tools to play SS or CF. His approach is really poor, whether it is pitch recognition or something else he swings and misses a lot which is why this guy that would otherwise go top 10 overall (easily) may fall out of the 1st round. I’m not sure I’d take him in the second round, either. He is smaller and less powerful (and less good), but I’ve believed he is the Javy Baez of college baseball the last two years and unfortunately I think his pitch recognition is meaningfully worse.

Luke Waddell (2b/3b, Georgia Tech) – Undersized, lacks traditional power, unconventional baseball body but he plays the game very well. After a 3-4 days of watching him w/ Team USA last summer, you could not help but be impressed with him even though you didn’t notice him the first day or two. Built like a RB, massive thighs. Short and he is a mediocre runner, but he has excellent plate coverage, can drive the ball for doubles now. Some Jose Ramirez in him. FG has him at 150 and 5th round would be good value for him.

Noah Campbell (2B/LF, South Carolina) – Would be a priority sign outside of the top 5 rounds for me. I see a Michael Brantley-like approach at the plate at times, he’s a plus runner, is very young for his class. I’m not sure what his position is going to be, but he’s a good athlete and can fit somewhere. He’s a little underwhelming at the plate at times (Brantley has always come across like this to me too) but this is the type of guy that I can see him improving with power as he ages. Underrated type and I think Tondo mentioned him before -- we're both on the same page.

Bobby Seymour (1B/OF, Wake Forest) – Priority sign outside of top 5 rounds. Probably a borderline top 10 rounder in regular times but this big buy has likely been tagged as a 1b/dh only, but he’s improved his mobility for this season. If you read stuff about “this guy can’t run” it is coming from people that have never bothered to watch him this year. I saw him twice run 4.12 and 4.15 seconds home to first as a lefty, which is above average at MLB level. First step is not good but when underway he can move. Team captain, very strong work ethic guy. Not one to count out. He’s a good hitter, was ACC Player of the Year in 2019.


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06/06/2020 3:41 pm  

I've seen a lot of many of these pitchers, a lot of which was from the 2019 season and the summer. We got almost a month in this year so I saw a good amount.

JT Ginn (RHP SP, Miss State) – I think he is a mixture of Sonny Gray (body type, plus movement) and Zach Greinke (command). His breaking pitch is not as plus as Gray’s was at Vandy, yet still good, and his command is not all the way to Greinke’s level, but he’s a nice mixture of the both of them. His FIP his freshman year in the SEC was downright excellent. Tommy John pushes him down to where the Indians can take him otherwise I thought he was going to be a top 10 overall selection this year.

Bobby Miller (RHP, Louisville) – He has really blossomed this year. 6’5”, 220 lbs, athletic, strong, good physical condition. I saw him 90-94 early his sophomore year and this spring I saw him sit 94-97 mph for six innings. He’s a sinker/slider guy with a lower ¾ arm slot but he still gets nice downward plane. His SL is his best offspeed pitch that can get good downward break for swing and misses when he’s right, and it’s 87-89 mph. FB gets good tail and sink, generates ground balls. Also has a low 80s CB and a CH in the upper 80s. He has consistently improved throughout his career and now he has become a legit 1st round quality arm. I don't think he's going to get as many K's in the upper levels b/c he is a sinker/slider guy and I generally do not like pitchers like this but he is good. 

Garrett Crochet (LHP, Tennessee) – Early in the spring of 2019, this guy really stood out and looked like a first half of the 1st round guy in 2020. He is 6’6”, 220 lbs, athletic with plus leverage. Mostly a two pitch guy with a FB that most typically sits 92-97 mph and he’s got a plus SL. Lower arm slot but the stuff plays really well. He suffered a broken jaw during the spring of 2019 and he had to go on a liquid diet for the rest of the season and he was not nearly as good. He lost velocity and wasn’t the same guy. If you go by the stats in 2019, it looks mediocre but it was heavily influenced by this injury (his #’s before his injury were very good). Only saw 3 innings this year, too. Young for his class, plus upside and projectable still. He’s a bit of a slinger more than a pitcher and may get tagged w/ a relief projection but there’s SP potential here. Wide range of outcomes but lots of upside that could be had at a discount.

Hugh Fisher (LHP, Vanderbilt) – High upside, high risk LHP. Had Tommy John in the fall. Andrew Miller with a stronger upper body. Excellent pitcher’s body, very projectable and I saw him up to 97-98 mph his sophomore year. He’s raw and can look bad when he is off, but his upside is undeniable. Yes he absolutely has upside of Andrew Miller and Josh Hader, though it will take time. Lots of fun to watch when he is on his game. FG has him at 97. At the end of the 2019 season, I felt he looked like a 1st supplemental round guy. Guys that have demonstrated they can pitch and have TJ surgery (Clarke Schmidt, JT Ginn) can still go high but Fisher was raw before the injury so it casts even more doubt. I’d be happy with a 3rd round selection.

Cole Henry (RHP, LSU) – Had some issues staying healthy his freshman season, which I believe was arm related. He looked really good early this year, sitting 93-95 mph in some starts I saw and this is coming from a tall arm slot with plus leverage. I have seen a plus downer CB from him in the past, but I saw a plus CH too in February. Draft eligible soph, July 1999 birthday. If healthy he’s a 1st round quality arm. I have seen a lot of variability from start to start from him in terms of the stuff he is showing, which is a concern. FG has him ranked 66.

Tanner Burns (RHP, Auburn) – I have loved watching this guy pitch since a freshman in the SEC. I root for the guy, one of my favorite players in college baseball. His issue is he is 6’0” with a stalky body and short levers (arms and legs). His pitching leverage is poor. I’ve consistently seen 92-95 mph out of him and a quality CB. Also has a CH that works. He has a lot of starter traits b/c his delivery is low effort and his body is strong but I see him as a reliever. Many times he’s been excellent one time through the order and then struggles. I do not at all see a 1st rounder in him and never have. Second round probably where he fits best but I think you’re getting a reliever out of him so I’m not as enthusiastic about him in the 2nd. Love the guy as a pitcher and there have been many innings I’ve seen from him where he is showing the stuff, command and execution of a MLB pitcher. Could move quickly to MLB if used as a reliever, which is how I’d handle him. I'm 3rd round on him.

Jeff Criswell (RHP, Michigan) – 6’4”, 210 lbs. Good athlete, good leverage, plus CB and sat 91-95 mph when I saw him. His delivery has some moving pieces, takes a long stride toward the mound and is long which leads to command issues but repetition and some ironing out could fix that. Good upside in him. Would be very good in 4th or 5th round (FG has him 126).

Will Klein (RHP, Eastern Illinois) – Never heard of this guy going into the year, but I watched an Arkansas game to see their team and I see a 6’5”, 230 lbs guy sitting 93-97, T 98 with his FB and commanding it w/o much effort. His offspeed stuff looked inconsistent but he has potential to improve. He’s the age of a college sophomore and has a lot of upside. I probably saw him on a good day but I was very impressed with him and scouts that saw him this day likely put a 1st or 2nd round grade on him. FG has him ranked 175 which would be an absolute steal in the 5th round, or even a FA if he doesn’t go. I will be following his name very closely.

Christian Chamberlain (LHP, Oregon State) – 5’10”, 180 lbs. Young for class. I saw him sit 91-94 mph with a LOT of swing and miss off his FB vs. a very good Mississippi State line-up. Its one of those “invisi-fastballs” I saw a good CB from him, too. He profiles as a reliever but he can really deal. Short, lacks leverage but MLB quality stuff and deception. 4th or 5th round.

Christian Scott (RHP, Florida) – Draft eligible sophomore. Makes a lot of sense for him to return for his junior year but this guy is a talented pitcher with 1st round potential. MLB body, projection, throws 91-94 mph in game with a quality CB. He has stuff he needs to work on, but if he wanted to get started on his pro career and would take a 5th round selection I’d be interested. He has not really had a chance to shine at Florida yet so there is value here.

Mason Hickman (RHP, Vanderbilt) – Not even ranked by FG. Would be a priority FA sign. Excellent leverage (6’6” with long arms) and command. Very good downward leverage. In a world where everyone is throwing harder, Hickman is only sitting 87-89 mph and he’s getting top instruction at Vandy so the lack of stuff is why he’s potentially not going in the top 5 rounds. Was hoping to see a velo bump this spring but it didn’t really happen. There’s a good chance this guy makes MLB at some point.

Jared Shuster (LHP, Wake Forest) – As a sophomore he was a plus CH guy, decent velo, below average body build, 90-92 mph. This year I saw him sit 92-95 mph for six innings with a very good CH and quality SL. This start was vs. Louisville and he looked really, really good. He is old for his class and probably is getting maxed out on his potential but I’ve seen guys like him in the past go late 1st round. Late 2nd/early 3rd round would be excellent value. He is not far from MLB and he’s already showing MLB stuff.

Joe Boyle (RHP, Notre Dame) – Exceptionally high upside. 6’7”, 215 lbs, ideal pitcher’s frame. Athletic, projectable, very young for his class. I saw him sit 100 mph in relief as a sophomore. Only saw him once this spring but he was 97-99 mph w/ low effort. Command is a clear issue but it takes a long time to nail a delivery down when your arms and legs are so long, plus he is young for his class and is also a cold weather guy from Kentucky. His arm slow is a low ¾ so not truly comparable to Tyler Glasnow whom throws taller (and better), but it’s the same level of talent. FG has him at 154 and I can’t remember seeing so much upside from a college arm that could be available in the 4th/5th round.

Trenton Denholm (RHP, UC Irvine) – I’ve seen him mentioned on this board and I don’t share the enthusiasm. Well below average leverage, mediocre MLB stuff. He is a good pitcher and he is young for his class but I think selecting a guy like this before the 4th round is an overdraft. 4th round is fair value, 5th is good value but stay away rounds 2 and 3.

Tyler Brown (RHP, Vanderbilt) – Vandy’s closer and has been very good in the role. Normally is 92-93 mph with a good slider. Doesn’t stand out as a top prospect, but just because he has been in relief w/ Vandy doesn’t mean he can’t start. He is a big guy with a good, easy delivery. Definitely should be given a chance to start as a pro.

Jake Eder (LHP, Vanderbilt) – Only honorable mention on FG’s ’20 draft list. 6’4”, 215 lbs, throws from a good ¾ slot. Sits low 90’s but he gets very good cutting action. His CB is plus in the upper 70’s. He’s never dominated at Vandy but he’s been developed for a pro career and I think he projects well to MLB. There’s some Andy Pettitte in him. If he somehow does not go in the top 5 rounds, he’d be a very high priority FA signing.


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06/06/2020 5:19 pm  

Going strictly off FanGraph’s rankings posted on their site on June 6, 2020, this is how I’d go on the Indians draft. Is FG the right list to use? I don’t know but it is right there in front of me and easy. I haven’t paid attention to this stuff since the season was cancelled so I’m sorry if I’m missing bonus demands but I will try to be realistic. Also, I recognize its easy going off a list b/c you don’t have to overdraft players you know will be available later but I will try to be honest.

23. JT Ginn SP, Mississippi State

36. Dylan Crews CF, Lake Mary HS (Florida)

56. Zach DeLoach RF, Texas A&M

95. Hugh Fisher LHP, Vanderbilt

124. Jeff Criswell RHP, Michigan

154. Joe Boyle RHP, Notre Dame

Ginn was fairly easy selection b/c others I liked were off the board. Was Ginn vs. Bobby Miller for me and the sinker/slider profile of Miller keeps me away from him. Ginn is a legit SP prospect.

I like Dylan Crews’ bat speed, short swing and power. As pitchers throw at higher velocity, being compact is important. Came down to Crews vs. Dax Fulton. I’m going just off YT videos level of conviction on Crews is not strong. Not many college guys I like in this area.

Zach DeLoach is a good hitter. Showed it on the Cape (.353/.428/.541) and this season before it was cancelled. Swing is short w/ no load and strong. Sophomore season was a fluke. Older for his class but I think he has polish and his tools all play at MLB. I do not see a CF in him.

Hugh Fisher is a once-through-the-order reliever but his upside is excellent and I believe in the approach of using pitcher 2-3 IP at a time. It came down to Ian Bedell and Nick Frasso here for me. I haven’t seen enough of Bedell, unfortunately.

Jeff Criswell is ranked at 126 and there for me at 124. It was Criswell vs. Joe Boyle vs. Gavin Williams. Criswell is more accomplished than both Boyle and Williams, and he also has the upside so it was fairly easy decision. Criswell needs to improve his command and it could be a challenge w/ his delivery (lots of moving pieces). Start him as a SP but a chance he becomes multi-inning reliever.

The stars aligned for me to get Joe Boyle here (ranked 154 at pick 154!). Easily could be a bust but this type of upside is available in the 5th round?!? Guys like this can be a real tease b/c once you get taller than 6’5” sometimes guys have trouble ever getting command but risk vs. reward is a no-brainer in the 5th round.

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06/06/2020 6:11 pm  

@ohiobaseball

 

Hey OB... W/R to your mock...

 

23. JT Ginn SP, Mississippi State: with the TJ surgery, it's likely he'll go later rather than sooner.. a surer thing and a lower signing bonus seem more likely.. but, no doubt.. he's the goods.. a legitimate SP candidate.. At # 36, he'd be a steal.. and one worth taking for more than one reason... 

36. Dylan Crews CF, Lake Mary HS (Florida) Decided to remove himself from the draft eligibility for the 2020 MLB First Entry Draft..

56. Zach DeLoach RF, Texas A&M... mr. unknown.. kind of stunk it up at A & M.. then.. something clicked..shortened version of his swing from the left side of the plate reminds you a little of a kind of fish.. that kind of game power and the full package.. At 56, might be an overdraft..but worthy of consideration..

95. Hugh Fisher LHP, Vanderbilt: Love this pick.. but is like JT Ginn.. if Fisher is ready (he won't be until fall at the earliest and that's pending if his medicals check out), then a steal at 95  is in the offing.. Healthier choices exist and should be considered.. 

124. Jeff Criswell RHP, Michigan... This is what a college pitching prospect is supposed to look like that is drafted by the Indians.. big, strong hard throwing.. mixes his pitches..goes deep.. can start or relieve.. is a northern guy all day all ways.. 

154. Joe Boyle RHP, Notre Dame... Another guy that defines what a college pitching prospect is supposed to be.. Wouldn't mind him here.. 

 

Thoughts?..


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06/06/2020 7:27 pm  

@gson, thank you for your feedback. Appreciate the note on Dylan Crews...goes to show that I am out of the loop on the draft coverage. I guess I would have gone Dax Fulton but I don't think taking recent TJ's for 3 of the 6 picks is the most defensible strategy! Im sure there is another prep guy out there. I was interested in Jordan Walker but he's 6'5" and I don't like such long levers on hitters b/c strike out propensity.

On Ginn, I thought he was poised to be top 10 overall selection after his freshman season so falling to #23 reflects the TJ risk for me.

I appreciate your take on DeLoach. I feel pretty strongly that 2019 was a fluke (also had terrible BABIP this year). The season was an aberration. I'm a believer in his most recent performance and am willing to significantly underweight his 2019 performance. I feel that performance and a lack of an opportunity to follow it up in 2020 to prove it was a fluke is what is pulling him into the 2nd round, b/c I see late 1st round quality with him. His 2020 #'s are great, though also reflect weaker competition, with 3 doubles and 6 home runs compared with only 3 K's. I believe Heston Kjerstad and Zach DeLoach are closer in prospect status than most people think.

Also, I slammed Denholm in another post. I don't mean to argue or criticize others that may have mentioned him, but I'm just giving my unfiltered opinion and I respect others' thoughts.

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06/06/2020 8:05 pm  

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Not to leave you hanging.. the first pick(s), # 23 & # 36, respectively and seen on day 1 of the draft.. could come down to several pitchers.. all bring something the Indians FO has coveted in the past.. in alphabetic order they are:

Bryce Jarvis, Duke's uber control monstah RHP.. The command and control are simply amazing. He might be more of a # 36/# 56 guy?

Jared Kelly... I think he'll be gone by the time the Tribe picks at # 23.. butthere's a lot of boxes he checks for the tribe..

Landon Knack... probably an overdraft at # 56, but, again..the Indians kind of guy.. control across the board with some "upside / three pitch repertoire.. 

Carmen Mlodzinski.. should change his name.. looks like an eye chart.. Big upside kind of guy.. if he's there at # 36.. he should follow an Indians position player pick.. 

Cole Wilcox.. the best SP for the Bulldogs.. this kid has everything you look for... I would be skeptical if he drops to # 23... 

These pitchers all make sense for the Tribe.. but, their strategy has been and remains.. look to acquire a guy who's value is or was very high.. but, for reasons that CAN be fixed.. he drops to the Tribe.. who take him.. 

I know BPA is the 'spoken' strategy.. regardless of position.. the evidence doesn't always bear that out.. FWiW..

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06/07/2020 9:49 am  

I'm not that big a follower of the draft but for some reason I'm thinking they either take a high school RHP (for what - the sixth year in a row) or a middle infielder who will end up at either third base or the outfield. 

And please, no pitchers with elbow problems. I'm referring to Brady Aiken, one of your guys who dropped but the Indians thought he had a problem that can be fixed. But sometimes it can't. 

 


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06/07/2020 12:24 pm  

@ohiobaseball

Great to hear from you OB, really value your takes.

I'm a big fan of Fulton and hope the Indians select him, even at 23. Like you, I also love the Boyle upside. Well worth the risk in rd 4/5. Also a fan of Crews before he opted out. 

Where we do disagree is Denholm, but no big deal. We have one of those every year and we end up drafting those every year, so prepare yourself for Denholm in round 3 or even 2nd lol (in a Sandlin scenario to pay for prior picks). I'll stick by my fav smallish college performer. We've been there with Morgan, Civale and Sandlin and Denholm for me is a pretty strong profile mix of them. I believe he's a strong 4th/5th SP bet and well worth of a 3rd rd pick or 500-750K. We'll see on Thursday. 

As for my dream draft, I have each 4 HS bats and arms that I like in round 1 that could be available. Those are (no order of preference): Bitsko, Kelley, Fulton, Santos and Howard, Soderstrom, Walker, PCA. There's a couple of college bats I like at 36 in Foscue and Wells plus Cecconi, Ginn, McMahon, Burns the arms, but I'd only consider Cecconi (maybe Ginn if medical checks out) and skip college pitching for later.

Any combination of those would be a strong 1st round. 

At 56 my target is Markevian Hence. Would even consider him at 36. Reminds me of Lenny Torres. And if they go Kelley+Fulton in 1st, that's very comparable to Espino, Hankins and Torres all in one draft. That's my fav scenario right now. 

There are literally dozens of college arms I like for rounds 3-5, too many to name, but among the favs are Denholm, Bedell, L. Allen, Hickman, Kirian, Seminaris, B. Jordan, A. Abbott, Aleman, Knack, Olthoff. 

I also love Steven Ondina and Tommy Troy, would take them from rd 3 on. Will Sanders is a 2/3 rd pitcher I really like too. Looked great and super projectable in the PG AS game.

If we go with a college bat on day 2, I hope it's one (or two) of Polcovich, Warren, Hauver, Soularie, Nwogu. Tier 2 is Glowenke, Cooper Davis, Mcguire, McDonough. Mostly 4th/5th rd options. 

There's so much talent in this draft and a number of other players I'd be very happy about, so it's quicker to name the few prospects I'd like to avoid: Westburg, Cavalli, Hendrick, G. Mitchell, Van Eyk, Mlodz, Dingler, A. Williams in round 1. Later: G. Workman, Blaze Jordan, Opitz 


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06/08/2020 7:25 pm  

Came looking for my draftnik fix and wasn't disappointed.

Thanx for the informative posts guys.

I've seen Dingler play in person three times....I was not impressed.He can't hit.


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Willie Hood
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06/09/2020 1:10 pm  
Posted by: @themaven

Came looking for my draftnik fix and wasn't disappointed.

Thanx for the informative posts guys.

I've seen Dingler play in person three times....I was not impressed.He can't hit.

 

I have Dingler in the mid 20s. W/R the bat I think you get a. 240/.250 hitter w/ 15+ Homer's and 10+ sb. Unusual combo of sorts from a backstop. He's a qlty defender with probably the best arm among the Cs. None of that sounds great but when you add potential above average defense he could be a valuable commodity. 


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Willie Hood
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06/09/2020 5:16 pm  

Lot's of rumors the Orioles will go under slot at pick 2 with Nick Gonzales getting a lot of chatter. So, how does this affect the Indians?

The Indians hold 2 picks directly in between two of the Orioles top three selections. The picks that could be impacted are picks 30 and 39 with the Indians (and Rays; picks 24 & 37) sitting directly between their selections with picks 23 and 36. For the Tribe, it could be an opportunity to play spoiler at pick 23 and or pick 36 if the Orioles or another club tries to float an over-slot signing past the Indians.

Watch for the Tribe to opportunistic at pick 23 with the potential to grab a top prep player in their hands,


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