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Willie Hood
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08/05/2020 9:28 pm  

Delino DeShields Jr. is expected back soon. With the coming roster cut down to 28, a few players could be on the chopping blocks. Chang, Allen, Taylor, and Maton could all be on the shuttle to the alt site. Maybe Arroyo bc he hasn't played, but I suspect they keep him for depth.

Strange Domingo Santana hasn't played in 3 days. Odd man out or minor injury?

 


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The Prosecutor
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08/06/2020 8:50 am  
Posted by: @willhoo99

@rsamak

As bad as they have been a lot of teams / players are struggling. I think we see a shift as batters get more comfortable. Every game counts more so than years that's the painful thing.

13 of the 30 teams, or nearly half, have team batting averages of .220 or lower. 24 of 30 have team batting averages of .248 or lower. Between the launch angle revoluation where every hitter is trying to hit a home run every time up and the advances in pitching technology we are seeing fewer base hits than ever. The pitchers are totally in charge. 


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Willie Hood
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08/06/2020 8:59 am  
Posted by: @pros
Posted by: @willhoo99

@rsamak

As bad as they have been a lot of teams / players are struggling. I think we see a shift as batters get more comfortable. Every game counts more so than years that's the painful thing.

13 of the 30 teams, or nearly half, have team batting averages of .220 or lower. 24 of 30 have team batting averages of .248 or lower. Between the launch angle revoluation where every hitter is trying to hit a home run every time up and the advances in pitching technology we are seeing fewer base hits than ever. The pitchers are totally in charge. 

I believe this is part of it, but I think the bats are behind too.  Obviously, with players trying to smack homers every at bat it changes things. I do think we will see it balance out as the shortened season progresses.


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DetDawg
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08/06/2020 10:37 am  

A few more random thoughts - 

Hand's FB velo was down around 2 ticks on the 2nd night of his back-to-backs, averaging 90.7.  Hopefully, he can raise that a bit as he gets a few more innings under his belt.

I was a bit disappointed in the outcome of Karinchak's face-to-face with Castellanos, who got an opposite-field 1B off a FB that was located up, but not out of the zone.  Right now, there isn't a better FB hitter in the game.  So, the result wasn't overly surprising.  But, I would have liked to see if he could have handled a better located FB, i.e., one at the top of the zone, or above.  Very few hitters have shown an ability to hit Karinchak's "rising" FB when it's located there.

That aside, in a SSS, it's encouraging that Karinchak's showing an ability to throw strikes at a relatively high frequency.

Lindor used to be known for his bat-to-ball ability.  But, when men are on base, that skill has eroded.  He got 2 pitches in the middle of the strike zone early in the game with the bases full and 1 out, and he couldn't do anything with them.  And then he had to widen his strike zone with an 0-2 count and pulled a high, out-of-the-zone pitch on the ground for a DP to end the inning.

I'm looking forward to Civale's next outing.  IMO, the quality of his SL isn't what it was last year, when he would sequence it with his FB and cutter to handcuff hitters, particularly RHHs.  I read that he didn't have a feel for the pitch when he pitched against Minnesota.

Mercado's daring baserunning may have won last night's game.  It's a lot different protecting a 2-run lead than a lead of 1 run.  It reminded me a bit of Lofton scoring from 2B on a passed ball against Randy Johnson and Seattle in the '96 playoffs.

Carrasco's FB still isn't what it was.  It would be nice to have Bauer in the dugout/clubhouse to help him diagnose his mechanics.


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DetDawg
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08/06/2020 12:20 pm  

Bieber is the 7th most irreplaceable player in the game, Lindor the 16th, and Clevinger to 20th.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2020s-most-irreplaceable-players/


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DetDawg
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08/06/2020 12:25 pm  

To get down to 28 players, Christian Arroyo was designated for assignment, Greg Allen and Daniel Johnson were optioned to Lake County,  and Delino DeShields was reinstated from the IL.

https://twitter.com/tribeinsider/status/1291406946734612484


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rsamak
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08/06/2020 1:07 pm  

DD some good points.  Karinchak's strike trowing is a surprise. ... I'am use to Lindor taking himself out, especially with men on base, on pitches outside the zone not pitches down the middle. ... The uppercut swing adds to the HR count, k's, and leeds to lower ave. Does it also make it harder to come out of a slump? ... Thought Civale had good movement on most of his pitches but your probably right on his slider. 


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The Prosecutor
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08/07/2020 8:33 am  
Posted by: @detdawg

A few more random thoughts - 

Hand's FB velo was down around 2 ticks on the 2nd night of his back-to-backs, averaging 90.7.  Hopefully, he can raise that a bit as he gets a few more innings under his belt.

I was a bit disappointed in the outcome of Karinchak's face-to-face with Castellanos, who got an opposite-field 1B off a FB that was located up, but not out of the zone.  Right now, there isn't a better FB hitter in the game.  So, the result wasn't overly surprising.  But, I would have liked to see if he could have handled a better located FB, i.e., one at the top of the zone, or above.  Very few hitters have shown an ability to hit Karinchak's "rising" FB when it's located there.

That aside, in a SSS, it's encouraging that Karinchak's showing an ability to throw strikes at a relatively high frequency.

Lindor used to be known for his bat-to-ball ability.  But, when men are on base, that skill has eroded.  He got 2 pitches in the middle of the strike zone early in the game with the bases full and 1 out, and he couldn't do anything with them.  And then he had to widen his strike zone with an 0-2 count and pulled a high, out-of-the-zone pitch on the ground for a DP to end the inning.

I'm looking forward to Civale's next outing.  IMO, the quality of his SL isn't what it was last year, when he would sequence it with his FB and cutter to handcuff hitters, particularly RHHs.  I read that he didn't have a feel for the pitch when he pitched against Minnesota.

Mercado's daring baserunning may have won last night's game.  It's a lot different protecting a 2-run lead than a lead of 1 run.  It reminded me a bit of Lofton scoring from 2B on a passed ball against Randy Johnson and Seattle in the '96 playoffs.

Carrasco's FB still isn't what it was.  It would be nice to have Bauer in the dugout/clubhouse to help him diagnose his mechanics.

1. I wonder if Hand would be more effective NOT pitching back-to-back games.

2. At least Karinchak's fastball to Castellanos was on the outside edge and he held him to a single. Biebs and Clev came right down the pipe with it and got taken deep. 

3. Lindor seesm to do better when he doesn't try to elevate and pull the ball. He had a couple of nice line drives to left field recently - one was a single into the corner that drove in a run (he got thrown out at second). Last night he had a sharp two-out RBI single to right. He should just try for line drives and hit the ball where it's pitched and let the home runs come by accident. 

He seems to be doing a better job of laying off the low breaking balls in the last few games, too. 

4. Carrasco's fastball was in the 94-95 range last night. It seems to be back. If it isn't, well, he still pitched six shutout innings allowing one hit so maybe he's OK without it. 

 


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DetDawg
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08/07/2020 8:57 am  
Posted by: @pros
Posted by: @detdawg

A few more random thoughts - 

Hand's FB velo was down around 2 ticks on the 2nd night of his back-to-backs, averaging 90.7.  Hopefully, he can raise that a bit as he gets a few more innings under his belt.

I was a bit disappointed in the outcome of Karinchak's face-to-face with Castellanos, who got an opposite-field 1B off a FB that was located up, but not out of the zone.  Right now, there isn't a better FB hitter in the game.  So, the result wasn't overly surprising.  But, I would have liked to see if he could have handled a better located FB, i.e., one at the top of the zone, or above.  Very few hitters have shown an ability to hit Karinchak's "rising" FB when it's located there.

That aside, in a SSS, it's encouraging that Karinchak's showing an ability to throw strikes at a relatively high frequency.

Lindor used to be known for his bat-to-ball ability.  But, when men are on base, that skill has eroded.  He got 2 pitches in the middle of the strike zone early in the game with the bases full and 1 out, and he couldn't do anything with them.  And then he had to widen his strike zone with an 0-2 count and pulled a high, out-of-the-zone pitch on the ground for a DP to end the inning.

I'm looking forward to Civale's next outing.  IMO, the quality of his SL isn't what it was last year, when he would sequence it with his FB and cutter to handcuff hitters, particularly RHHs.  I read that he didn't have a feel for the pitch when he pitched against Minnesota.

Mercado's daring baserunning may have won last night's game.  It's a lot different protecting a 2-run lead than a lead of 1 run.  It reminded me a bit of Lofton scoring from 2B on a passed ball against Randy Johnson and Seattle in the '96 playoffs.

Carrasco's FB still isn't what it was.  It would be nice to have Bauer in the dugout/clubhouse to help him diagnose his mechanics.

1. I wonder if Hand would be more effective NOT pitching back-to-back games.

2. At least Karinchak's fastball to Castellanos was on the outside edge and he held him to a single. Biebs and Clev came right down the pipe with it and got taken deep. 

3. Lindor seesm to do better when he doesn't try to elevate and pull the ball. He had a couple of nice line drives to left field recently - one was a single into the corner that drove in a run (he got thrown out at second). Last night he had a sharp two-out RBI single to right. He should just try for line drives and hit the ball where it's pitched and let the home runs come by accident. 

He seems to be doing a better job of laying off the low breaking balls in the last few games, too. 

4. Carrasco's fastball was in the 94-95 range last night. It seems to be back. If it isn't, well, he still pitched six shutout innings allowing one hit so maybe he's OK without it. 

 

After reading your post I realize I misspoke about Carrasco.  I meant Clevinger.

As for Carrasco using his FB less, the Indians' starters as a group are last in FB usage at 36.7%, even though their 10th in velo at 93.3 mph.  Carrasco is throwing his FB 34.3% of the time.  But, he has very good offspeed pitches.  The average FB usage of the starters could rise if Clevinger ever gets his mechanics together.


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DetDawg
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08/07/2020 9:28 am  

As a follow-up on Clevinger, his FB usage has dropped for a couple of reasons.  One, it isn't the pitch it was last year.  And two, he now has a cutter, which he threw 17 times in his last outing.  It helps explain why he performed better even though his mechanics (and possible the health of his knee) aren't where they need to be.  He got 4 whiffs on 4 swings, and 4 called strikes, using the pitch.  The use of the pitch appears to have made each of his other pitches more effective, at least for 1 game.  Let's see how hitters fare now that they know he's got another pitch in his repertoire.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/gamefeed?game_pk=631570&game_date=&type=home_pitchers&chart_view=pitch&chart_type=call_name&inning=&count=&batter_hand=&pitcher_hand=&filter=&player=home-pitchers_424144&view=Umpire&coloring=Pitch%20Type


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Edible14
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08/07/2020 11:04 am  

With 14 in the books, we're about a quarter through the season. Some things I am noting as I pour over fangraphs:

The bullpen in general has not had to work much. Karinchak leads the unit in IP with 6.1. Phil Maton is has just 2 appearances and innings, but has pitched well there. In 9 batters he's got 2 Ks, 3 ground outs, and one fly out while allowing 3 hits and no walks. He has the second lowest FIP on the entire team to Karinchak (that includes the starters) and by xFIP he's the second lowest in the bullpen. 

The worst reliever by xFIP and FIP is Cimber unless you count Plutko, but at 3.30 FIP that's not bad for the worst guy in the pen. The pen has been, somewhat surprisingly, a strength early on.

DeShields is right now the second best hitter on the team by wRC+, and one of just 4 above league average hitters (Jram, Hernandez and Zimmer). Carlos and Lindor are just below that 100 cutoff line for average. DeShields probably got that immediate start because the OF has been terrible aside from Zimmer. Here's a list of guys with negative WAR, with their wRC+ in parentheses:

Reyes -.4 (30)

Mercado -.4 (-16)

Allen -.2 (-61)

Johnson -.3 (-65)

Luplow -.3 (-67)

B. Taylor -.2 (-80)

All of those are outfielders, aside from Taylor who is here as an emergency backup catcher who we know cannot hit. A combined -1.6 WAR from that group. In just 14 games. I know the sample sizes are small, but it has to rate as a disappointment that of all the guys given a shot, none have stepped up.

Luplow has 13 PAs vs RHP against just 7 against lefties. He's hitless against both, but has 5 strikeouts against righties and none against lefties. It's probably time to keep him more strictly platooned.

Allen, that might be it for him with this team. This is his last option year and he might be too buried at this point to make the team next year. Zimmer, Naquin and now DeShields are all clearly ahead of him. Johnson needs some work but he's got age and options on his side. Luplow should be worried about Naquin returning. Reyes and Mercado are probably the most alarming dropoffs in production. 

The outfield will continue to mix it up, but right now Zimmer should be everyday. Mix up DeShields, Mercado, Reyes and Domingo between the other two spots and DH. Those ABs are only going to get harder to come by when Naquin returns. 


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DetDawg
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08/07/2020 11:15 am  
Posted by: @edible14

With 14 in the books, we're about a quarter through the season. Some things I am noting as I pour over fangraphs:

The bullpen in general has not had to work much. Karinchak leads the unit in IP with 6.1. Phil Maton is has just 2 appearances and innings, but has pitched well there. In 9 batters he's got 2 Ks, 3 ground outs, and one fly out while allowing 3 hits and no walks. He has the second lowest FIP on the entire team to Karinchak (that includes the starters) and by xFIP he's the second lowest in the bullpen. 

The worst reliever by xFIP and FIP is Cimber unless you count Plutko, but at 3.30 FIP that's not bad for the worst guy in the pen. The pen has been, somewhat surprisingly, a strength early on.

DeShields is right now the second best hitter on the team by wRC+, and one of just 4 above league average hitters (Jram, Hernandez and Zimmer). Carlos and Lindor are just below that 100 cutoff line for average. DeShields probably got that immediate start because the OF has been terrible aside from Zimmer. Here's a list of guys with negative WAR, with their wRC+ in parentheses:

Reyes -.4 (30)

Mercado -.4 (-16)

Allen -.2 (-61)

Johnson -.3 (-65)

Luplow -.3 (-67)

B. Taylor -.2 (-80)

All of those are outfielders, aside from Taylor who is here as an emergency backup catcher who we know cannot hit. A combined -1.6 WAR from that group. In just 14 games. I know the sample sizes are small, but it has to rate as a disappointment that of all the guys given a shot, none have stepped up.

Luplow has 13 PAs vs RHP against just 7 against lefties. He's hitless against both, but has 5 strikeouts against righties and none against lefties. It's probably time to keep him more strictly platooned.

Allen, that might be it for him with this team. This is his last option year and he might be too buried at this point to make the team next year. Zimmer, Naquin and now DeShields are all clearly ahead of him. Johnson needs some work but he's got age and options on his side. Luplow should be worried about Naquin returning. Reyes and Mercado are probably the most alarming dropoffs in production. 

The outfield will continue to mix it up, but right now Zimmer should be everyday. Mix up DeShields, Mercado, Reyes and Domingo between the other two spots and DH. Those ABs are only going to get harder to come by when Naquin returns. 

I'd be reluctant to make any conclusions about Luplow right now.  He had the unfortunate timing of coming down with a back issue just when he was supposed to be rounding into shape, and then only had 2 or 3 games before the start of the season.  He may still be having some residual back issuers and/or just need reps to get his bat in mid-season form.  Unfortunately, this is not the season to have patience with fringe players.


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Marty Taber
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08/07/2020 11:41 am  

Geez, look at all this ACTIVITY!!!

I’d hardly give DeShields much credit based on one game. And I’d also be afraid to pencil in Zimmer long-term, unless your pencil has a good eraser.  He’s definitely looked much better than prior years, but he has to keep it up quite a bit longer.  

Naquin, if he can ever stay healthy, is our closest thing to a “sure thing” in our outfield.  Nobody else has much of a track record.  And most posters on the various boards really don’t think much of Naquin. 

Luplow has to play against every lefty. These lineups where we trot out Domingo Santana and Mercado and Deshields against righties have to stop.  We scored 13 runs last night with those three starting, but they whiffed 8 times in 13 at bats and their three hits came late. 

Daniel Johnson is an unknown and I’m sure will get more chances in the future.  Mercado has struggled (he’s certainly not alone).  Reyes is a DH. Domingo hasn’t hurt us defensively so far, but I don’t think any of us really want him in our ideal outfield.

And... it would be nice if our catchers could get an occasional hit.

 

Having said all that, the rest of the team, especially pitching, has been excellent.  Our top 4 hitters will be fine, but we need some consistent help from, especially, the bottom third of our lineup. 


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Edible14
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08/07/2020 11:55 am  

Oh for sure nothing permanent about putting Zimmer there. But for the next week or two, I would say he should be playing everyday unless there's a health-related reason he needs off days. Domingo might end up playing his way to being the full time DH unless Reyes picks it up. 


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DetDawg
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08/07/2020 12:37 pm  

MLB has enacted stricter social-distancing protocols recently, required each team to have an employee that is tasked with monitoring their team's compliance, and is authorized to punish those “who are found to have repeatedly or flagrantly violated the protocols”, which include the authority to bar violators from competition. 

The link below is behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1981031/2020/08/07/mlbs-new-health-protocols-are-stricter-but-can-they-be-enforced/


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