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Criznit
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06/15/2020 3:25 pm  
Posted by: @mackie_lundquist

 

Has the tribe signed anyone yet?

Read my mind... I haven't seen/heard anything. 


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DetDawg
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06/15/2020 3:46 pm  

Almost without exception, every scouting report I've read about Carson Tucker notes that he has plus bat speed, but that his swing mechanics are overly busy and get in the way of taking advantage of that bat speed.  Therefore, I found it interesting that The Athletic's Jason Lloyd mentioned Tucker recently revamped his swing with the help of family friend, Micah Franklin, who played a fraction of one season (1997) in the majors, and a couple more years in the KBO five years later.  Lloyd said "[Tucker] simplified his hands, cut out a lot of excess movement and changed his feet. The idea was that he has gotten by this far on athletic talent alone, but the changes will help him against better pitching."  Lloyd doesn't say when Tucker's swing was over hauled, but I assume it was recent, as none of the scouting reports I've read mention any change in Tucker's swing mechanics.

The link to the article is behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1869819/2020/06/14/final-thoughts-the-indians-familiar-path-to-carson-tucker/


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Themaven
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Themaven
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06/16/2020 3:31 pm  

Joe Donavan and Cade Smith are the first two reported.

https://d1baseball.com/prospects/2020-college-undrafted-free-agent-signings-tracker/


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Mackie_Lundquist
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06/16/2020 9:23 pm  

@themaven

 

Thanks. I'll keep checking that site.


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Willie Hood
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06/17/2020 11:29 am  
Posted by: @mackie_lundquist

 

Has the tribe signed anyone yet?

I expect the Indians to release all the signings at once in a similar fashion to last year.

On the night of the draft, I joined members of the media as the rep for IBI. Barnsby started the Zoom call with an indication he was glad to sign all of these players. Probably more a slip of words, but points toward agreements in place. Final numbers are not out in them but Burns is expected to get less than slot. Jeff Ellis (on Twitter) stated he believes Logan Allen gets a similar bonus to Burns. 

2 UDFA signings by the Indians so far. Frankly, I don't believe they'll sign many my guess (all it is) is 4-5 players. There are still several quality players left out there that have yet to make decisions. Others have yet to make a decision. One I wanted: Luke Smith will be returning to school next season. 


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Themaven
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06/17/2020 6:30 pm  

Another signee:

Jaime Arias LHP 6'00" junior out of Fresno State

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?ID=214861


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Willie Hood
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06/18/2020 6:26 pm  
Posted by: @detdawg

Almost without exception, every scouting report I've read about Carson Tucker notes that he has plus bat speed, but that his swing mechanics are overly busy and get in the way of taking advantage of that bat speed.  Therefore, I found it interesting that The Athletic's Jason Lloyd mentioned Tucker recently revamped his swing with the help of family friend, Micah Franklin, who played a fraction of one season (1997) in the majors, and a couple more years in the KBO five years later.  Lloyd said "[Tucker] simplified his hands, cut out a lot of excess movement and changed his feet. The idea was that he has gotten by this far on athletic talent alone, but the changes will help him against better pitching."  Lloyd doesn't say when Tucker's swing was over hauled, but I assume it was recent, as none of the scouting reports I've read mention any change in Tucker's swing mechanics.

The link to the article is behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1869819/2020/06/14/final-thoughts-the-indians-familiar-path-to-carson-tucker/

Yes, it is a more simplified swing allowing him to get through the zone quicker. I saw a side-by-side video the other day it was definitely, a change for the better.


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DetDawg
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06/18/2020 10:10 pm  
Posted by: @willhoo99
Posted by: @detdawg

Almost without exception, every scouting report I've read about Carson Tucker notes that he has plus bat speed, but that his swing mechanics are overly busy and get in the way of taking advantage of that bat speed.  Therefore, I found it interesting that The Athletic's Jason Lloyd mentioned Tucker recently revamped his swing with the help of family friend, Micah Franklin, who played a fraction of one season (1997) in the majors, and a couple more years in the KBO five years later.  Lloyd said "[Tucker] simplified his hands, cut out a lot of excess movement and changed his feet. The idea was that he has gotten by this far on athletic talent alone, but the changes will help him against better pitching."  Lloyd doesn't say when Tucker's swing was over hauled, but I assume it was recent, as none of the scouting reports I've read mention any change in Tucker's swing mechanics.

The link to the article is behind a paywall.

https://theathletic.com/1869819/2020/06/14/final-thoughts-the-indians-familiar-path-to-carson-tucker/

Yes, it is a more simplified swing allowing him to get through the zone quicker. I saw a side-by-side video the other day it was definitely, a change for the better.

It would be interesting to know what the Indians knew about the remake of Tucker's swing prior to the draft.  I would assume that they were aware of the changes, but possibly not about how those changes might work in actual games.

Regardless, given the fact that there appeared to be near universal agreement that his swing needed to be over hauled, the fact that he's already made changes could reduce his development time by up to a year.  And it will be interesting to find out how those changes translate in bat-to-ball skills and his overall power.

 


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Willie Hood
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06/19/2020 6:24 am  

@detdawg

I believe scouts were able to see more of Tucker than some other players.

There's an interesting tidbit in Prospects Live breakdown of Tucker. PGs Brian Sakowski talks about the scouts raving about Tucker this Spring.

I have mentioned this in the podcast Indians scout Ryan Perry knew Carson from scouting Cole. That relationship continues on as Perry scouted Carson too. The Indians may have had the benefit of seeing him / knowing him for several years. All 3 of the prep players drafted by the Tribe appeared in the HS AS game in CLE last year. Seems to me they were comfortable with all 3. Getting the know and see them in that setting couldn't have hurt.


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DetDawg
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06/19/2020 1:41 pm  

Thanks for the info.  Seems I was exaggerating the importance of the swing change, though I don't think the ESPN, Fangraphs, and The Athletic analysts were aware that fact either.  As a result, their pre-draft rankings were probably a bit lower on Tucker than major league teams. And hopefully he wasn't as much of a reach as I had assumed.


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Mackie_Lundquist
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06/20/2020 9:20 am  

Alonzo Richardson looks really interesting. Anyone know where he would have gone in a traditional 40 round draft?


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buckaroo
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06/20/2020 7:06 pm  
Posted by: @mackie_lundquist

Alonzo Richardson looks really interesting. Anyone know where he would have gone in a traditional 40 round draft?

whodat??


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Willie Hood
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06/20/2020 7:34 pm  
Posted by: @buckaroo
Posted by: @mackie_lundquist

Alonzo Richardson looks really interesting. Anyone know where he would have gone in a traditional 40 round draft?

whodat??

Richardson is a two-way prep player signed Friday evening. He was a San Diego St commit. 17.7yo 5'11, 160. SS and RHP. very good defender with plus speed. FB sits low 90s and CB is abv avg. 4 pitch mix.

Richardson was probably a post 10 round pick. He was not rated in any top 500. Very athletic, quick armed SS and RHP.  I'll more info up on him sometime soon. 


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Willie Hood
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06/20/2020 7:36 pm  

Logan Allen appears to have signed. I believe Tanner Burns has as well. Ruben Niebla welcomed Burns to the Tribe on Twitter...seems to indicate they have a deal. I think they announced all 6 at the same time.


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