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Tondo
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05/11/2020 12:19 pm  

Dingler is overhyped because he moved to C and there's a huge gap in college C talent after Bailey.

He'd be a fine mid round pick, but wouldn't draft this profile in top 3 rounds in any draft. Career 276 hitter in BigTen, no summer league data.

There's upside in his athleticism and improving K/BB ratio, but 1st round talk in this class is crazy, even as a budget saver. 

I wanted to "rank" draftees by signing bonus range instead of pure list. This would give a better sense of personal, perceived value and makes more sense in a budgeted draft. 

My bonus range for Dingler is 200-350K and I'd still have a dozen players I'd prefer in that range. Better college C players signed for this or less the past drafts.

I guess I really don't want to draft Dingler, lol


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Willie Hood
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05/11/2020 1:39 pm  

@tondo

To me, Dingler has unique athleticism and could easily play cOF in a spot. I like that his bat improved year over year. Add the plus (65 grade arm) and speed too and he's a unique athletic catcher. 

I dont think hes better than a .240-250 hitter with 15+ homer potential maybe 5-10 sb. His strong arm is accurate and his glove work is solid. It's the total package of tools that could be so much more.

I see the other C Patrick Bailey as a better overall defensive C, but his bat scares me more. I think hes a sub.240 hitter with 10 Homer's or less. As the game evolves the defensive portion of his game with be devalued...

Drew Romo is a similar bat is someways... lack of power or avg (for me). But hes a qlty catcher nonetheless.

Several lesser Cs I like Hendrie, Kerner, McGuire, Opitz and JMiller that should be available in rds 4&5 if not FA.

 

 


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Willie Hood
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05/13/2020 3:58 pm  

BAs recent mock draft has the Indians taking a very familiar name for those who follow this site California prep catcher Tyler Soderstrom. 

Also recently linked to the Indians by ESPN's Kiley McDaniel catcher Dillon dingler and Georgia prep third baseman Jordan Walker.


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Willie Hood
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05/13/2020 4:02 pm  

ESPN's Kiley McDaniel suggest up to 12 teams will low ball College Juniors through the first three rounds which are protected possibly punting draft picks to next year to potentially save staff jobs. The money would possibly pay staffers longer.

This will also allow teams to have larger pools next season and to scout more players next year and a larger deep draft class.

McDaniel suggests that the Dodgers are considering maximum penalty bc they have 7 draft picks and could get more talent. The team would lose late first round draft picks the next 2 seasons if max penalty is incurred.


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GSon
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05/13/2020 4:58 pm  

@willhoo99

 

and those same low-balled college juniors will become college seniors where their signing bonuses, already deferred into halves will be valued significantly lower. If you're a college junior.. you're already on the wrong side of the age curve while being hammered for a formerly deserved bonus that you might see cut in value and deferred to some uncertain future, but, only if you agree to sign.. 

 

Seems like an unexploited opportunity..


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Willie Hood
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05/13/2020 5:18 pm  
Posted by: @gson

@willhoo99

 

and those same low-balled college juniors will become college seniors where their signing bonuses, already deferred into halves will be valued significantly lower. If you're a college junior.. you're already on the wrong side of the age curve while being hammered for a formerly deserved bonus that you might see cut in value and deferred to some uncertain future, but, only if you agree to sign.. 

 

Seems like an unexploited opportunity..

Classic "rich get richer" type of moves. Shocked, nope...

Frankly, cutting the draft when they had every opportunity to seize the attn of the sports world is short sighted.

But moves like these are pretty typical for MLB owners.

This is why I've said baseball is no longer America's past time. Baseball is part of America's past.

All of this culminates into a worse case scenario and pushes athletes into other sports. 

 


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GSon
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05/14/2020 6:01 am  

Catchers...  For whatever reason..it just seems that taking a catcher as a catcher early in a draft has never worked for the Tribe.. Dirk Diggler or Casey at the bat or whomever, it really doesn't matter.. Bo Naylor is the latest.. he came after Frankie Mejia..who came after..  eventually.. Bebo Perez (a 33rd round surprise, to be sure)... The current group of catchers in this draft, after Bailey, are uninspiring, to say the least.. one, perhaps two could become ML backstops.. but that road is long and frought with potholes..  The only catcher I would consider with a later pick (4th or 5th round if not a FA signing) is Daniel Susac.. He'd be a bonus/steal of a pick around that level.. Otherwise.. The arms in this draft remain intriguing..

Thoughts?..


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05/14/2020 11:21 am  

This was posted this on February 24th... 

Pick # 23: Pitcher or Position Player:

If a Pitcher: Three names..if available in any order Mick Abel 6' 5" / 190 Jesuit HS in Oregon, Cole Wilcox Georgia 6'5" 225 and Dax Fulton 6'6" 225 Mustang HS Ok

If a Position Player: Zac Veen 6'4" 189 Spruce Creek Fl OF'er Very athletic CF'er. Keeps the bat in the hitting zone for ages, Dylan Crews 6'0" 175 Lake Mary HS Fl Super athlete that puts the bat on the ball for both average and power. Perhaps the best prep bat in the entire draft Blaze Jordan 6'1" 215 1B.. Some chance he can play LF, but doubtful. The Indians front office either is saving money for better talent at #'s 36 & 57 or they just love this kid's bat for both power and average.. plays a spot that the Indians don't seem to draft much.

Pick # 36: Peter Crow-Armstrong 6'1" 175 Harvard Lake HS Ca OF'er

Pick # 57: JT Ginn 6'2" 195 RHP Miss St.. Bulldog mentality with an innate sense of throwing strikes. Has some injury concerns that may allow him to drop to the Indians here. If there.. and the meds check out, he'd be a steal.

Pick # 95: Chase Davis 6'1" 210 Franklyn HS Ca Strong athletic corner OF that does everything well. very fast hands and bat. Strong like bull. Could see any spot in the OF, but, RF would welcome the howitzer of a left arm he has. A wild card pick..

 

PCA and Zac Veen are pipe dreams..they won't be there when the Tribe picks.. So, a great draft may be 

23. Cole Wilcox

36. Dylan Crews

57. J.T. Ginn

95. Chase Davis.. 

This would be an astounding draft.. however, unlikely.. 


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GSon
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05/14/2020 11:27 am  

Was reading the MLB Best Tools article (thanks for posting).. and the name, Landon Knack.. really caught my eye.. 5th year senior... a draft pick in the 150 range on a guy like him would be appropriate.. Has anyone actually seen his delivery?. movement on his pitches, delivery effort.. etc?.


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Willie Hood
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05/14/2020 1:47 pm  

@gson


I think that would be a sold draft if they could get them.

Frankly, I doubt Wilcox and Ginn would be there at those picks.

PCA is expected to be a hard sign.from what I have read I get the sense he will want at least $3.5M to sign. Heard a similar number for Nick Bitsko too.

Dylan Crews reportedly another hard sign with potential to go to school. Of course, things change when a team offers real money - even if some is deferred. 


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Willie Hood
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05/14/2020 1:48 pm  
Posted by: @gson

Was reading the MLB Best Tools article (thanks for posting).. and the name, Landon Knack.. really caught my eye.. 5th year senior... a draft pick in the 150 range on a guy like him would be appropriate.. Has anyone actually seen his delivery?. movement on his pitches, delivery effort.. etc?.

Only video of him. He's expected to get a nice underslot bonus as early as round 3. 


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Willie Hood
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05/14/2020 1:54 pm  
Posted by: @gson

Catchers...  For whatever reason..it just seems that taking a catcher as a catcher early in a draft has never worked for the Tribe.. Dirk Diggler or Casey at the bat or whomever, it really doesn't matter.. Bo Naylor is the latest.. he came after Frankie Mejia..who came after..  eventually.. Bebo Perez (a 33rd round surprise, to be sure)... The current group of catchers in this draft, after Bailey, are uninspiring, to say the least.. one, perhaps two could become ML backstops.. but that road is long and frought with potholes..  The only catcher I would consider with a later pick (4th or 5th round if not a FA signing) is Daniel Susac.. He'd be a bonus/steal of a pick around that level.. Otherwise.. The arms in this draft remain intriguing..

Thoughts?..

Mlb.com the most recent linking Dingler to CLE.

They have re-emphasized defense as a priority at catcher leading to the additions of...Sandy Leon, Beau Taylor and Andre's Melendez all defensive inclined depth.

That said, the position is changing with the forced implementation of robo umps coming. Defense wont matter as much, and teams are more inclined to focus on offense from the revolving C position. That means someone like Dingler who has upside on both sides of the plate could be more valuable. It could also make a player like Tyler Soderstrom more likely to stick behind C, and if he doesn't he has the foot speed and arm for 3b or RF. Frankly, if Patrick Bailey slides I wont be shocked.


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Willie Hood
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05/14/2020 5:44 pm  

I suspect that if the Tribe did draft someone like Dingler it would be because they'd cut a deal with him. It would be cool to see an Ohio St player advancing through the system here in Ohio. It would seemingly draw some OSU fans / supporters. Getting a "homegrown" player on a team friendly would be about adding a qlty player in DIngler but its also about saving some money to come back for a player like Jordan Walker, Dylan Crews or any number of others that are reportedly hard signings.


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GSon
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05/15/2020 9:48 am  

@willhoo99

While it's understandable to root for "one of our own".. talent will out.. Dingler can't hit now.. may never hit much. As stated in an earlier post.. with the advent of robo-umpires calling balls and strikes, it's becoming more and more of an offensive position.. something, as a former catcher, I believe is the wrong direction for baseball.. Wasting 18 % of the draft on a guy who's ceiling is as a backup backstop (he has the goods as a receiver).. seems like an awful waste of the precious and valuable resource. The Indians have shown themselves to be strikingly clairvoyant as it relates to guys that may become superb ML'ers at virtually ANY position. Catcher should be the same thing.. There are several teams with the following situation:

1. A superb & soon to be ML ready or near ready backstop in their minor league system.

2. A well thought of youngster just achieving some success at the ML level or a long time stalwart backstop who will suck the playing time up like a swiffer pad meeting lemonade on a hot day..

Example: St Louis is exactly in that position.. and have a DESPERATE need for a power source like Bobby Bradley or could go HUGE and work out a deal for Frankie Lindor (not likely). The cardinals have Andrew Knizer, who is blocked by Yadier, could be that which they painfully sacrifice (along with more than just Knizer) to get that something. Other teams in a similar situation include the LA Dodger who in spite of the completeness of their team are still in search of a young stud starting pitcher, have Keibert Ruiz  who is covered by Will Smith. The San Diego Padres, who could have and should have had a discussion with the Indians about Bauer, Kluber or any other grizzled veteran starting pitcher have Luis Campusano covered by Mejia/Hedges.. The Arizona DBax, who's most desperate need is outfield help have Daulton Varsho  who is covered by Carson Kelly.. 

At the end of the day, this is where the Indians get their guys.. The Indians ability to identify and develop catching talent has been atrocious over the years.. I doubt they'll change in the next few drafts.. especially, this draft that has so many flawed backstops..

Thoughts?..


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